1 00:00:11,170 --> 00:00:04,370 hey this is Sean and this is Jay and 2 00:00:16,189 --> 00:00:13,570 [Music] 3 00:00:17,570 --> 00:00:16,199 with all due respect to the Air Force I 4 00:00:43,910 --> 00:00:17,580 believe that some of them will prove to 5 00:00:43,920 --> 00:00:52,810 [Music] 6 00:00:58,790 --> 00:00:56,869 what is up dude how have you been I've 7 00:01:00,049 --> 00:00:58,800 been good I've been I've had a wonderful 8 00:01:01,490 --> 00:01:00,059 busy week 9 00:01:04,070 --> 00:01:01,500 um it's been great 10 00:01:05,750 --> 00:01:04,080 um yesterday was the two-year 11 00:01:08,570 --> 00:01:05,760 anniversary of the experiencer group 12 00:01:12,350 --> 00:01:08,580 which um I saw that that's pretty cool 13 00:01:16,190 --> 00:01:12,360 oh thanks man so um so yeah I'm going 14 00:01:19,730 --> 00:01:16,200 into the third year of that so cool you 15 00:01:21,590 --> 00:01:19,740 know I I'm it's kind of on the one hand 16 00:01:23,990 --> 00:01:21,600 it feels like it's 17 00:01:26,270 --> 00:01:24,000 like three or four years already and at 18 00:01:28,130 --> 00:01:26,280 the same time it feels like the blink of 19 00:01:30,830 --> 00:01:28,140 an eye and you know it's just 20 00:01:33,109 --> 00:01:30,840 interesting like thinking about where I 21 00:01:35,390 --> 00:01:33,119 was two years ago versus now and like 22 00:01:36,950 --> 00:01:35,400 you and I hadn't met yet and yeah all 23 00:01:38,510 --> 00:01:36,960 the people that 24 00:01:41,330 --> 00:01:38,520 all the things that have happened and 25 00:01:43,429 --> 00:01:41,340 all the wonderful things in between then 26 00:01:46,130 --> 00:01:43,439 and now that have happened because of 27 00:01:48,109 --> 00:01:46,140 that in a lot of ways and just like 28 00:01:49,850 --> 00:01:48,119 choosing to be 29 00:01:52,069 --> 00:01:49,860 choosing to talk about this stuff in 30 00:01:54,050 --> 00:01:52,079 public it's it's changed my life in a 31 00:01:57,289 --> 00:01:54,060 really amazing way and I know that it's 32 00:01:58,609 --> 00:01:57,299 changed yours as well and so you know 33 00:02:00,289 --> 00:01:58,619 I'm kind of struck with that I think 34 00:02:04,190 --> 00:02:00,299 it's I think it's I think it's beautiful 35 00:02:07,310 --> 00:02:04,200 and I'm happy to be here it is uh I'm 36 00:02:10,510 --> 00:02:07,320 glad you're here too I remember 37 00:02:12,949 --> 00:02:10,520 well I guess like with the my experience 38 00:02:15,350 --> 00:02:12,959 really like 39 00:02:17,210 --> 00:02:15,360 I didn't experience too much of life 40 00:02:19,070 --> 00:02:17,220 without talking about it because I went 41 00:02:21,410 --> 00:02:19,080 straight to like I'm gonna do a show and 42 00:02:23,270 --> 00:02:21,420 all that kind of stuff so I don't I 43 00:02:23,990 --> 00:02:23,280 don't really know what that's like but I 44 00:02:24,890 --> 00:02:24,000 can't 45 00:02:28,190 --> 00:02:24,900 um 46 00:02:30,830 --> 00:02:28,200 can't imagine it you know it must been 47 00:02:33,290 --> 00:02:30,840 tough living life without really talking 48 00:02:34,729 --> 00:02:33,300 about it or being public with it but 49 00:02:36,650 --> 00:02:34,739 but you know you're doing good things 50 00:02:38,930 --> 00:02:36,660 with it with the experiencer group and 51 00:02:41,570 --> 00:02:38,940 all that kind of stuff so so that's good 52 00:02:44,330 --> 00:02:41,580 and you know it's got to be refreshing 53 00:02:48,290 --> 00:02:44,340 and a bit uh freeing 54 00:02:51,229 --> 00:02:48,300 um to to have that out so well yeah 55 00:02:52,850 --> 00:02:51,239 well not only that I mean some some of 56 00:02:55,070 --> 00:02:52,860 the real heads here in the chat might 57 00:02:58,430 --> 00:02:55,080 and later on down the line might 58 00:03:00,830 --> 00:02:58,440 remember that the day that that I 59 00:03:02,809 --> 00:03:00,840 finally talked about my experience is 60 00:03:04,670 --> 00:03:02,819 more fully 61 00:03:07,670 --> 00:03:04,680 um in Ralph's article 62 00:03:09,589 --> 00:03:07,680 um that the same day that that came out 63 00:03:12,290 --> 00:03:09,599 um was the first time that you and I met 64 00:03:14,270 --> 00:03:12,300 it was later that day and I just jumped 65 00:03:18,229 --> 00:03:14,280 jumped right onto the show 66 00:03:21,170 --> 00:03:18,239 um because uh uh while Joe mergia was 67 00:03:23,509 --> 00:03:21,180 was already booked and he was and uh he 68 00:03:26,750 --> 00:03:23,519 and you conferred and then there I was 69 00:03:29,449 --> 00:03:26,760 and uh yeah and we've been together ever 70 00:03:31,369 --> 00:03:29,459 since yeah and I'll I'll always have a 71 00:03:33,710 --> 00:03:31,379 soft spot for Joe because of that I know 72 00:03:36,350 --> 00:03:33,720 uh you can be a bit abrasive to some 73 00:03:39,649 --> 00:03:36,360 people or whatever 74 00:03:41,750 --> 00:03:39,659 um but uh you know he's a winner in my 75 00:03:43,910 --> 00:03:41,760 book because he he put you in my life 76 00:03:48,830 --> 00:03:43,920 and I'll always be grateful for that so 77 00:03:51,229 --> 00:03:48,840 yeah for sure yeah yeah I love I love 78 00:03:53,930 --> 00:03:51,239 one of the I think the first time that I 79 00:03:55,789 --> 00:03:53,940 made James iandoli crack up ever was a 80 00:03:58,490 --> 00:03:55,799 joke about Joe mergia and I'll tell it 81 00:04:00,949 --> 00:03:58,500 really quickly okay so I was like I was 82 00:04:02,990 --> 00:04:00,959 like you know what I think is like 83 00:04:05,570 --> 00:04:03,000 the worst thing about Joe Merchant and 84 00:04:07,369 --> 00:04:05,580 he was like what and I said he takes he 85 00:04:09,350 --> 00:04:07,379 he often he takes two people on Twitter 86 00:04:11,570 --> 00:04:09,360 and he bangs them together like action 87 00:04:13,550 --> 00:04:11,580 figures and he was like he's like yeah 88 00:04:15,289 --> 00:04:13,560 and I was like you know what the best 89 00:04:17,449 --> 00:04:15,299 thing about Joe merger is and he was 90 00:04:19,250 --> 00:04:17,459 like what he goes I go he takes two 91 00:04:22,490 --> 00:04:19,260 figures on Twitter and then he bangs 92 00:04:28,550 --> 00:04:22,500 them together like action figures 93 00:04:30,350 --> 00:04:28,560 yeah no yeah he's he's yeah he's uh he's 94 00:04:32,930 --> 00:04:30,360 definitely he knows his stuff too he's 95 00:04:34,909 --> 00:04:32,940 been around everything for so long he's 96 00:04:36,950 --> 00:04:34,919 got everything so well documented on his 97 00:04:39,650 --> 00:04:36,960 website all the different quotes and the 98 00:04:41,870 --> 00:04:39,660 interviews and uh transcribing 99 00:04:44,689 --> 00:04:41,880 interviews and he does a great job with 100 00:04:47,390 --> 00:04:44,699 all that stuff so for sure yeah 101 00:04:49,790 --> 00:04:47,400 um we do have some we do have a little 102 00:04:52,070 --> 00:04:49,800 bit of news I guess we can get it out of 103 00:04:57,770 --> 00:04:52,080 the way and talk about the big Chinese 104 00:05:00,830 --> 00:04:57,780 balloon that's over us of a right now 105 00:05:03,110 --> 00:05:00,840 um yeah you know a couple of things come 106 00:05:05,330 --> 00:05:03,120 to mind as far as in like relation to 107 00:05:07,730 --> 00:05:05,340 UAP UFOs what we're going through now 108 00:05:09,230 --> 00:05:07,740 with arrow and all that the first thing 109 00:05:13,610 --> 00:05:09,240 is 110 00:05:15,290 --> 00:05:13,620 um it's incredible how we got a very 111 00:05:18,950 --> 00:05:15,300 clear picture of it 112 00:05:21,950 --> 00:05:18,960 right really right it obviously it looks 113 00:05:24,189 --> 00:05:21,960 like a balloon in that picture right and 114 00:05:27,230 --> 00:05:24,199 we got confirmation from the government 115 00:05:28,670 --> 00:05:27,240 right away and they called it a balloon 116 00:05:31,210 --> 00:05:28,680 right away 117 00:05:37,249 --> 00:05:31,220 uh which is all 118 00:05:39,469 --> 00:05:37,259 completely 100 different than it you 119 00:05:41,749 --> 00:05:39,479 know if you relate it to like the 120 00:05:44,629 --> 00:05:41,759 different UFO sightings and stuff 121 00:05:46,430 --> 00:05:44,639 whether it be the 2019 West Coast 122 00:05:49,790 --> 00:05:46,440 things that we were probably going to 123 00:05:53,390 --> 00:05:49,800 touch on later or the Tic Tac event or 124 00:05:57,409 --> 00:05:53,400 or other UFO sightings you know 125 00:06:01,310 --> 00:05:57,419 um so there's a clear line there 126 00:06:04,550 --> 00:06:01,320 between what is uh obviously prosaic and 127 00:06:07,070 --> 00:06:04,560 what isn't and so I find that extremely 128 00:06:09,850 --> 00:06:07,080 interesting and also the reaction to the 129 00:06:12,830 --> 00:06:09,860 balloon from the government in 100 130 00:06:17,270 --> 00:06:12,840 secretary blanken 131 00:06:19,670 --> 00:06:17,280 um trip over it you know we saw if like 132 00:06:22,070 --> 00:06:19,680 the West Coast events like our our Navy 133 00:06:24,409 --> 00:06:22,080 ships swarmed if they were like Chinese 134 00:06:27,170 --> 00:06:24,419 drones or whatever 135 00:06:30,529 --> 00:06:27,180 um you you would have expected to see a 136 00:06:33,110 --> 00:06:30,539 lot more uh steps like that 137 00:06:34,550 --> 00:06:33,120 you know back then so I find that 138 00:06:37,610 --> 00:06:34,560 interesting too and I like to compare 139 00:06:40,249 --> 00:06:37,620 those two yeah yeah absolutely I mean 140 00:06:43,010 --> 00:06:40,259 the from the last that I read I don't 141 00:06:44,570 --> 00:06:43,020 know if where it is where the winds have 142 00:06:48,469 --> 00:06:44,580 taken it and whether it's been taken 143 00:06:50,330 --> 00:06:48,479 down uh this morning I read 144 00:06:52,730 --> 00:06:50,340 um last night about it being over 145 00:06:55,129 --> 00:06:52,740 Montana I think it was at that point and 146 00:06:57,230 --> 00:06:55,139 and that they attracted it seemed like 147 00:06:59,570 --> 00:06:57,240 it had come in through Alaska and gone 148 00:07:01,790 --> 00:06:59,580 down or something like that and that it 149 00:07:04,430 --> 00:07:01,800 seems to be largely beholden to the the 150 00:07:06,290 --> 00:07:04,440 wind patterns it's not it doesn't it 151 00:07:07,850 --> 00:07:06,300 doesn't seem to have much propellant to 152 00:07:10,790 --> 00:07:07,860 it you know what I mean 153 00:07:11,629 --> 00:07:10,800 um which is interesting and like I I 154 00:07:14,450 --> 00:07:11,639 think 155 00:07:15,890 --> 00:07:14,460 for those of you that don't know okay or 156 00:07:17,450 --> 00:07:15,900 those of you that are watching from the 157 00:07:19,129 --> 00:07:17,460 future and have no frame of reference 158 00:07:20,930 --> 00:07:19,139 for this we just there have been a bunch 159 00:07:26,089 --> 00:07:20,940 of reports over the last 24 hours about 160 00:07:28,490 --> 00:07:26,099 a big uh Chinese uh balloon uh like spy 161 00:07:31,909 --> 00:07:28,500 balloon that looks like it has a bunch 162 00:07:34,550 --> 00:07:31,919 of solar panels uh on the bottom of it 163 00:07:36,409 --> 00:07:34,560 um flying over the us right now and it 164 00:07:38,570 --> 00:07:36,419 was spotted up in the high atmosphere 165 00:07:40,730 --> 00:07:38,580 from the ground by many many witnesses 166 00:07:43,309 --> 00:07:40,740 people wondered what it was it looked 167 00:07:45,469 --> 00:07:43,319 like a small Moon it was a description 168 00:07:48,110 --> 00:07:45,479 that was those common among Witnesses 169 00:07:50,990 --> 00:07:48,120 and then it was immediately looked at 170 00:07:53,089 --> 00:07:51,000 and found to be they kind of traced it 171 00:07:56,270 --> 00:07:53,099 back and said oh this is a Chinese drone 172 00:07:59,270 --> 00:07:56,280 this is a Chinese balloon uh spy balloon 173 00:08:01,670 --> 00:07:59,280 right and with the pictures of it you 174 00:08:03,710 --> 00:08:01,680 know it looks kind of wonky it doesn't 175 00:08:05,870 --> 00:08:03,720 look like it's fully inflated anymore 176 00:08:07,730 --> 00:08:05,880 maybe it's it's kind of bumpy on the 177 00:08:10,010 --> 00:08:07,740 edges it's hard to tell whether that's 178 00:08:12,409 --> 00:08:10,020 just the the camera angle or what and 179 00:08:14,570 --> 00:08:12,419 then you can see like a bank of what 180 00:08:16,490 --> 00:08:14,580 looked to be like solar panels that 181 00:08:18,230 --> 00:08:16,500 might be powering like camera system or 182 00:08:19,969 --> 00:08:18,240 something like that yeah there we go and 183 00:08:21,529 --> 00:08:19,979 so it looks you know if you were 184 00:08:23,089 --> 00:08:21,539 squinting it would almost look like the 185 00:08:25,430 --> 00:08:23,099 International Space Station flying 186 00:08:27,290 --> 00:08:25,440 across the moon but in fact you know 187 00:08:29,089 --> 00:08:27,300 this is a different this is a different 188 00:08:31,189 --> 00:08:29,099 thing entirely 189 00:08:33,709 --> 00:08:31,199 um and it's pretty high up apparently 190 00:08:36,709 --> 00:08:33,719 above like where commercial 191 00:08:38,329 --> 00:08:36,719 uh planes fly and everything so 192 00:08:41,209 --> 00:08:38,339 you know that even makes it more 193 00:08:43,730 --> 00:08:41,219 interesting that we can see that far up 194 00:08:45,829 --> 00:08:43,740 with the camera and have a clear picture 195 00:08:47,269 --> 00:08:45,839 like this obviously showing us what it 196 00:08:49,730 --> 00:08:47,279 is 197 00:08:52,190 --> 00:08:49,740 yeah and so it's it's interesting 198 00:08:53,570 --> 00:08:52,200 because you know a you know one 199 00:08:56,329 --> 00:08:53,580 interesting point as you were saying 200 00:08:57,650 --> 00:08:56,339 before and that is the response and we 201 00:08:59,389 --> 00:08:57,660 can and I want to get back to that but 202 00:09:02,030 --> 00:08:59,399 one thing is just like look at this 203 00:09:04,790 --> 00:09:02,040 thing just not this does not look 204 00:09:07,269 --> 00:09:04,800 like a Tic Tac this looks like our 205 00:09:09,410 --> 00:09:07,279 technology I mean it looks like our 206 00:09:12,170 --> 00:09:09,420 conventional technology it's pretty 207 00:09:14,210 --> 00:09:12,180 basic you got a balloon it doesn't you 208 00:09:15,769 --> 00:09:14,220 know you can if you look at the bottom 209 00:09:18,470 --> 00:09:15,779 right corner it does it looks like it's 210 00:09:21,050 --> 00:09:18,480 kind of got wonky edges to it 211 00:09:22,970 --> 00:09:21,060 um it doesn't look super pristine 212 00:09:24,710 --> 00:09:22,980 um kind of looks like a big trash bag in 213 00:09:26,690 --> 00:09:24,720 the air and it's got and it's got these 214 00:09:28,970 --> 00:09:26,700 solar panels or whatever they are I 215 00:09:30,889 --> 00:09:28,980 assume them to be solar panels now that 216 00:09:33,530 --> 00:09:30,899 doesn't look like what people describe 217 00:09:35,630 --> 00:09:33,540 the Tic Tac to be right right that 218 00:09:39,710 --> 00:09:35,640 doesn't and it doesn't behave like the 219 00:09:42,470 --> 00:09:39,720 Tic Tac is and also as you were 220 00:09:43,670 --> 00:09:42,480 mentioning you know the response that 221 00:09:45,710 --> 00:09:43,680 we've gotten 222 00:09:47,269 --> 00:09:45,720 uh from the government 223 00:09:48,949 --> 00:09:47,279 um has been to like put it out there 224 00:09:52,190 --> 00:09:48,959 immediately throw it onto every paper 225 00:09:53,930 --> 00:09:52,200 get the picture out and cancel and it 226 00:09:55,610 --> 00:09:53,940 caused a huge international incident 227 00:09:57,769 --> 00:09:55,620 because now 228 00:09:59,389 --> 00:09:57,779 um Secretary of State Lincoln is not 229 00:10:01,250 --> 00:09:59,399 going to China for a scheduled trip 230 00:10:04,730 --> 00:10:01,260 because they're you know they have to 231 00:10:07,009 --> 00:10:04,740 have a Face-Off about this uh the this 232 00:10:10,250 --> 00:10:07,019 this incident because unlike other 233 00:10:11,750 --> 00:10:10,260 countries uh the United States does not 234 00:10:16,730 --> 00:10:11,760 allow 235 00:10:18,949 --> 00:10:16,740 um uh other countries to fly right part 236 00:10:20,329 --> 00:10:18,959 of the open Skies treaty yeah we're not 237 00:10:21,410 --> 00:10:20,339 part of the open Skies treaty that's 238 00:10:23,329 --> 00:10:21,420 right 239 00:10:25,009 --> 00:10:23,339 um so so this is a vastly different 240 00:10:27,710 --> 00:10:25,019 response and so when people talk about 241 00:10:30,050 --> 00:10:27,720 like maybe maybe these UAP some of these 242 00:10:33,170 --> 00:10:30,060 uip are Chinese maybe some of them are 243 00:10:34,730 --> 00:10:33,180 Russian well you know as we've as we've 244 00:10:37,190 --> 00:10:34,740 talked about with Tom Rogan and other 245 00:10:39,050 --> 00:10:37,200 guests recently it's it's pretty obvious 246 00:10:43,070 --> 00:10:39,060 over the course of the last year that if 247 00:10:44,210 --> 00:10:43,080 Russia had some had some sick ass Tic 248 00:10:45,769 --> 00:10:44,220 Tacs 249 00:10:46,610 --> 00:10:45,779 um that they'd probably be using them by 250 00:10:48,769 --> 00:10:46,620 now 251 00:10:51,710 --> 00:10:48,779 um over there yeah something along those 252 00:10:55,190 --> 00:10:51,720 lines saucers or you know Delta Manta 253 00:10:57,350 --> 00:10:55,200 shaped triangles whatever and uh you 254 00:10:59,930 --> 00:10:57,360 would think and here we have a situation 255 00:11:02,930 --> 00:10:59,940 where where obviously the response is 256 00:11:06,069 --> 00:11:02,940 such that if all of these other it just 257 00:11:08,750 --> 00:11:06,079 makes you think you know it opens up 258 00:11:11,269 --> 00:11:08,760 make I guess it's like the size of three 259 00:11:13,430 --> 00:11:11,279 school buses which is pretty big 260 00:11:17,389 --> 00:11:13,440 um and you know what it makes me think 261 00:11:20,810 --> 00:11:17,399 of are instances like the The Mantel 262 00:11:25,069 --> 00:11:20,820 case back from 1948 where you know they 263 00:11:28,670 --> 00:11:25,079 the the Air Force said he was chasing a 264 00:11:30,530 --> 00:11:28,680 balloon you know and it just makes me 265 00:11:33,170 --> 00:11:30,540 think of stuff like that or other 266 00:11:34,670 --> 00:11:33,180 sightings where where you know the Air 267 00:11:36,829 --> 00:11:34,680 Force or whatever were like it was 268 00:11:39,050 --> 00:11:36,839 probably a balloon like just because it 269 00:11:40,370 --> 00:11:39,060 just seemed so obvious from a 270 00:11:42,290 --> 00:11:40,380 non-aviator 271 00:11:45,650 --> 00:11:42,300 you know 272 00:11:47,990 --> 00:11:45,660 that it's a balloon from this fuzzy 273 00:11:50,690 --> 00:11:48,000 picture so if you're in the sky like at 274 00:11:52,430 --> 00:11:50,700 the same level as the thing I'm pretty 275 00:11:55,430 --> 00:11:52,440 sure you'd be able to tell it was a 276 00:11:57,889 --> 00:11:55,440 balloon you know so that kind of kind of 277 00:11:59,690 --> 00:11:57,899 throws a lot of those not that they were 278 00:12:01,850 --> 00:11:59,700 in the window before but it throws them 279 00:12:04,610 --> 00:12:01,860 out the window for sure to me I mean 280 00:12:06,230 --> 00:12:04,620 because it's just so clear but 281 00:12:08,990 --> 00:12:06,240 um that there's nothing 282 00:12:13,550 --> 00:12:09,000 really weird about it it's round and 283 00:12:15,290 --> 00:12:13,560 white you know yeah but then and in some 284 00:12:17,569 --> 00:12:15,300 ways it's almost disappointing when you 285 00:12:20,030 --> 00:12:17,579 think about like oh you hear all of this 286 00:12:21,769 --> 00:12:20,040 rhetoric and and some might even some 287 00:12:24,470 --> 00:12:21,779 might even say propaganda about like oh 288 00:12:26,750 --> 00:12:24,480 the Chinese they're leapfrogging us uh 289 00:12:28,970 --> 00:12:26,760 you know technologically and you know 290 00:12:31,250 --> 00:12:28,980 there might be some truth to that within 291 00:12:33,949 --> 00:12:31,260 with some technology and there's you 292 00:12:37,190 --> 00:12:33,959 know there's a lot of stories recently 293 00:12:40,069 --> 00:12:37,200 about how whether it's a like Chinese uh 294 00:12:41,870 --> 00:12:40,079 appliances or you know Chinese apps like 295 00:12:43,370 --> 00:12:41,880 Tick Tock and stuff like that that 296 00:12:45,350 --> 00:12:43,380 people say like oh they're trying to 297 00:12:47,509 --> 00:12:45,360 smuggle surveillance software into 298 00:12:49,190 --> 00:12:47,519 technology these days you know there are 299 00:12:51,410 --> 00:12:49,200 a lot of there are a lot of intriguing 300 00:12:53,629 --> 00:12:51,420 stories about China and Tech these days 301 00:12:55,910 --> 00:12:53,639 but when you look at that thing I mean 302 00:12:57,290 --> 00:12:55,920 it looks it looks kind of like you know 303 00:12:59,150 --> 00:12:57,300 some University students could have put 304 00:13:01,009 --> 00:12:59,160 it together to be honest with you I mean 305 00:13:03,230 --> 00:13:01,019 it doesn't seem completely outside the 306 00:13:04,610 --> 00:13:03,240 range of possibility that you know that 307 00:13:06,710 --> 00:13:04,620 that could be from some engineering 308 00:13:08,569 --> 00:13:06,720 school I mean not saying it is I'm just 309 00:13:10,190 --> 00:13:08,579 saying it's like if that's what we're 310 00:13:11,750 --> 00:13:10,200 supposed to be scared of I'm not I'm not 311 00:13:13,730 --> 00:13:11,760 particularly frightened right now you 312 00:13:15,590 --> 00:13:13,740 know what I mean but yeah the only thing 313 00:13:20,930 --> 00:13:15,600 I can think of is as far as this 314 00:13:25,310 --> 00:13:20,940 situation is uh to me it must be 315 00:13:27,410 --> 00:13:25,320 it most likely was done on purpose for 316 00:13:29,990 --> 00:13:27,420 for a reason 317 00:13:31,550 --> 00:13:30,000 um because first of all it's so obvious 318 00:13:34,190 --> 00:13:31,560 right everybody knew right away and 319 00:13:35,810 --> 00:13:34,200 China is not going to be that stupid to 320 00:13:38,050 --> 00:13:35,820 think that you know they can get away 321 00:13:41,930 --> 00:13:38,060 with flying something over one of the 322 00:13:44,090 --> 00:13:41,940 most closely watched skies in the world 323 00:13:46,910 --> 00:13:44,100 you know with the best technology that 324 00:13:50,030 --> 00:13:46,920 exists so very good point it's kind of 325 00:13:52,490 --> 00:13:50,040 to me they had to know 326 00:13:54,230 --> 00:13:52,500 that you know uh we were going to find 327 00:13:55,670 --> 00:13:54,240 out we were going to know and maybe they 328 00:13:59,269 --> 00:13:55,680 just want to see the reaction or 329 00:14:01,069 --> 00:13:59,279 something like that I I don't know or 330 00:14:03,410 --> 00:14:01,079 um it's some sort of Power Play Move as 331 00:14:05,810 --> 00:14:03,420 as blinking was supposed to go visit 332 00:14:07,910 --> 00:14:05,820 um in China or something like that I 333 00:14:10,250 --> 00:14:07,920 don't know but it it it's really the the 334 00:14:12,230 --> 00:14:10,260 world affairs right now is is a complete 335 00:14:15,050 --> 00:14:12,240 mess and it seems like it's just getting 336 00:14:16,910 --> 00:14:15,060 worse all the time which which is kind 337 00:14:19,370 --> 00:14:16,920 of frightening so 338 00:14:21,829 --> 00:14:19,380 yeah I mean there's you know there's 339 00:14:24,710 --> 00:14:21,839 there are people 340 00:14:26,030 --> 00:14:24,720 similar kinds of people you know we'll 341 00:14:29,030 --> 00:14:26,040 bring it down so that we can bring it 342 00:14:31,970 --> 00:14:29,040 back up right yeah but like yeah you 343 00:14:34,490 --> 00:14:31,980 know I mean there there has been kind of 344 00:14:36,889 --> 00:14:34,500 an escalation lately in in the war in 345 00:14:38,449 --> 00:14:36,899 Ukraine and here we are and we're we're 346 00:14:40,189 --> 00:14:38,459 almost at 347 00:14:41,870 --> 00:14:40,199 the one year mark of the physical 348 00:14:44,150 --> 00:14:41,880 Invasion 349 00:14:46,490 --> 00:14:44,160 um about a year ago we had Lou alzando 350 00:14:47,629 --> 00:14:46,500 on the show and it was the very day that 351 00:14:50,090 --> 00:14:47,639 it happened 352 00:14:53,810 --> 00:14:50,100 um the very day of the physical 353 00:14:56,030 --> 00:14:53,820 um uh uh Invasion and he was pointing 354 00:14:58,310 --> 00:14:56,040 out that you know that that the war had 355 00:14:59,810 --> 00:14:58,320 already begun because of you know it had 356 00:15:02,449 --> 00:14:59,820 been clear that they'd been massing 357 00:15:04,189 --> 00:15:02,459 troops for months you know that was in 358 00:15:06,590 --> 00:15:04,199 the papers there's a lot of intrigue 359 00:15:07,670 --> 00:15:06,600 about that but he was like you know the 360 00:15:14,389 --> 00:15:07,680 the 361 00:15:16,790 --> 00:15:14,399 ground and that was a very good point 362 00:15:18,230 --> 00:15:16,800 and at that point like we had no you 363 00:15:20,509 --> 00:15:18,240 know we were speculating on that 364 00:15:21,829 --> 00:15:20,519 broadcast I think it was February 25th 365 00:15:24,290 --> 00:15:21,839 or something like that and we were 366 00:15:26,930 --> 00:15:24,300 speculating like you know how long is 367 00:15:28,970 --> 00:15:26,940 this going to last and and you know 368 00:15:31,250 --> 00:15:28,980 there's already like the idea that this 369 00:15:33,350 --> 00:15:31,260 could be something that could be in you 370 00:15:35,090 --> 00:15:33,360 know the story like us one of the 371 00:15:37,189 --> 00:15:35,100 biggest stories of the year and one of 372 00:15:39,050 --> 00:15:37,199 the things that's that we would be 373 00:15:40,370 --> 00:15:39,060 dealing with for a long time and here we 374 00:15:44,329 --> 00:15:40,380 are almost a year later and there's no 375 00:15:48,829 --> 00:15:44,339 end in sight right right yep 376 00:15:51,110 --> 00:15:48,839 um so moving on there were uh yeah there 377 00:15:56,930 --> 00:15:51,120 are a couple things that uh you know 378 00:16:00,590 --> 00:15:56,940 recently hit the UFO world and one of 379 00:16:04,610 --> 00:16:00,600 them that I'm particularly 380 00:16:09,110 --> 00:16:04,620 um pumped about is uh Forbidden Science 381 00:16:12,110 --> 00:16:09,120 volume number five uh that's right I got 382 00:16:15,050 --> 00:16:12,120 mine did you get oh you did it yeah oh 383 00:16:17,269 --> 00:16:15,060 my mine's mine's coming on Tuesday I've 384 00:16:19,250 --> 00:16:17,279 got my um right here I've got you got 385 00:16:21,710 --> 00:16:19,260 your five oh man you got your five yeah 386 00:16:23,569 --> 00:16:21,720 yeah right here I got my two and I've 387 00:16:25,310 --> 00:16:23,579 got I've been reading two 388 00:16:26,870 --> 00:16:25,320 um this last month so I didn't even know 389 00:16:28,850 --> 00:16:26,880 that it was gonna be coming out and I 390 00:16:30,530 --> 00:16:28,860 just got wonders in the sky too which is 391 00:16:33,230 --> 00:16:30,540 absolutely wonderful 392 00:16:34,370 --> 00:16:33,240 um I'm really I'm really excited about 393 00:16:37,189 --> 00:16:34,380 five 394 00:16:38,870 --> 00:16:37,199 um partially because okay so for those 395 00:16:41,449 --> 00:16:38,880 of you that that 396 00:16:42,769 --> 00:16:41,459 um that uh just got to the field or 397 00:16:45,110 --> 00:16:42,779 something like this you know Jacques 398 00:16:47,210 --> 00:16:45,120 Village is one of the biggest living 399 00:16:49,730 --> 00:16:47,220 legends in the field he's probably the 400 00:16:54,290 --> 00:16:49,740 biggest living legend in the field 401 00:16:57,949 --> 00:16:54,300 um uh he had uh a sighting when he was a 402 00:16:59,810 --> 00:16:57,959 child and then he had a he became an 403 00:17:02,810 --> 00:16:59,820 astronomer he was working at the Paris 404 00:17:05,270 --> 00:17:02,820 Observatory and in the 50s he witnessed 405 00:17:06,890 --> 00:17:05,280 a situation where at the Paris 406 00:17:10,429 --> 00:17:06,900 Observatory through the telescope people 407 00:17:13,909 --> 00:17:10,439 detected on UAP stuff up in the sky AI 408 00:17:17,210 --> 00:17:13,919 there was recordings of it a senior 409 00:17:19,549 --> 00:17:17,220 official of some sort came in and 410 00:17:23,569 --> 00:17:19,559 destroyed the footage the documentation 411 00:17:26,990 --> 00:17:23,579 of that and that had the effect of 412 00:17:28,150 --> 00:17:27,000 bringing one of the world's 413 00:17:31,130 --> 00:17:28,160 um 414 00:17:34,490 --> 00:17:31,140 arguably greatest Geniuses to be put 415 00:17:37,190 --> 00:17:34,500 onto the case of of uaps for the rest of 416 00:17:39,710 --> 00:17:37,200 his life and so since then he after that 417 00:17:41,390 --> 00:17:39,720 he worked for NASA and was part of the 418 00:17:43,669 --> 00:17:41,400 team that mapped Mars for the first time 419 00:17:46,610 --> 00:17:43,679 then he moved on to DARPA and helped 420 00:17:49,909 --> 00:17:46,620 create the dang internet he was on the 421 00:17:52,310 --> 00:17:49,919 early dang internet I know right and and 422 00:17:55,010 --> 00:17:52,320 that is actually that brings you me to 423 00:17:57,590 --> 00:17:55,020 to his journals he's been publishing he 424 00:18:01,070 --> 00:17:57,600 since the 50s he's been keeping a really 425 00:18:04,130 --> 00:18:01,080 active diary and he 426 00:18:08,029 --> 00:18:04,140 um publishes them he publishes them uh 427 00:18:11,090 --> 00:18:08,039 about he tends to publish them now 428 00:18:13,190 --> 00:18:11,100 um safely outside of the time that it 429 00:18:17,330 --> 00:18:13,200 actually happens and so the most recent 430 00:18:21,770 --> 00:18:17,340 one volume Five is from is um cataloging 431 00:18:23,450 --> 00:18:21,780 the years uh 2000 to 2009 and so here we 432 00:18:26,950 --> 00:18:23,460 are we're already like 14 years away 433 00:18:30,650 --> 00:18:26,960 from what he's talking about at least 434 00:18:34,610 --> 00:18:30,660 but people have been using the Forbidden 435 00:18:38,150 --> 00:18:34,620 Science journals as kind of like a like 436 00:18:41,990 --> 00:18:38,160 a in and Jacques himself has been using 437 00:18:43,730 --> 00:18:42,000 these journals as a way to kind of like 438 00:18:46,850 --> 00:18:43,740 drip out 439 00:18:50,810 --> 00:18:46,860 um corroborating information uh years 440 00:18:54,409 --> 00:18:50,820 later that um that will confirm deny or 441 00:18:57,110 --> 00:18:54,419 give context to all sorts of situations 442 00:18:59,210 --> 00:18:57,120 um that that people in the community and 443 00:19:01,490 --> 00:18:59,220 people that follow ufology and related 444 00:19:06,710 --> 00:19:01,500 topics have been speculating for a long 445 00:19:11,930 --> 00:19:09,950 dead center or even closer to to the 446 00:19:14,450 --> 00:19:11,940 issue in many respects 447 00:19:15,650 --> 00:19:14,460 um since you know the late 50s 448 00:19:17,990 --> 00:19:15,660 yeah 449 00:19:20,029 --> 00:19:18,000 um and you know I've just read a little 450 00:19:21,409 --> 00:19:20,039 bit of it so far 451 00:19:24,110 --> 00:19:21,419 um I'm gonna have a lot of reading time 452 00:19:25,970 --> 00:19:24,120 coming up so uh plan on taking care of 453 00:19:28,250 --> 00:19:25,980 it then but I I got into it a little bit 454 00:19:31,130 --> 00:19:28,260 today and you know it's very interesting 455 00:19:34,549 --> 00:19:31,140 especially coming from uh a perspective 456 00:19:37,789 --> 00:19:34,559 where I where I have not read any of his 457 00:19:40,250 --> 00:19:37,799 uh Forbidden Science volumes I've read a 458 00:19:43,070 --> 00:19:40,260 lot of his other books but but none of 459 00:19:45,289 --> 00:19:43,080 those so this is kind of my first 460 00:19:46,909 --> 00:19:45,299 um Taste of of these journals and it's 461 00:19:50,029 --> 00:19:46,919 very interesting I really appreciate a 462 00:19:52,370 --> 00:19:50,039 couple things about them one of which is 463 00:19:55,010 --> 00:19:52,380 um how sincere some of it is regarding 464 00:19:58,010 --> 00:19:55,020 like his personal life and and it gets 465 00:19:59,990 --> 00:19:58,020 into this particular book it's into his 466 00:20:01,310 --> 00:20:00,000 mother passing away and and what that 467 00:20:03,950 --> 00:20:01,320 was like for him 468 00:20:07,250 --> 00:20:03,960 um that which is heartbreaking it also 469 00:20:10,070 --> 00:20:07,260 gets into you know I also love like the 470 00:20:13,130 --> 00:20:10,080 kind of getting set getting a glimpse of 471 00:20:15,169 --> 00:20:13,140 his mind you know and how at times he 472 00:20:18,110 --> 00:20:15,179 was really just sick and tired of the 473 00:20:20,150 --> 00:20:18,120 Paranormal and researching it and and 474 00:20:22,190 --> 00:20:20,160 wondering why he's doing it and all that 475 00:20:24,710 --> 00:20:22,200 kind of stuff and you know that's how I 476 00:20:27,230 --> 00:20:24,720 often feel when I'm doing you know 477 00:20:28,669 --> 00:20:27,240 research or whatever and 478 00:20:30,950 --> 00:20:28,679 um you know you're not always sure of 479 00:20:33,770 --> 00:20:30,960 yourself and who you are and and you 480 00:20:35,090 --> 00:20:33,780 know he felt the same way and you get 481 00:20:38,150 --> 00:20:35,100 eclipse at that which is really 482 00:20:41,150 --> 00:20:38,160 interesting uh one thing in this uh book 483 00:20:43,010 --> 00:20:41,160 so far that stood out to me is uh in the 484 00:20:45,529 --> 00:20:43,020 year 2000 485 00:20:48,470 --> 00:20:45,539 um was his uh interactions with Bob 486 00:20:51,370 --> 00:20:48,480 Bigelow and how Bob Bigelow who's trying 487 00:20:54,289 --> 00:20:51,380 it to he really wanted uh public 488 00:20:58,010 --> 00:20:54,299 Congressional UFO hearings 489 00:21:01,070 --> 00:20:58,020 and was trying to accomplish that 490 00:21:02,510 --> 00:21:01,080 um and I found that just very 491 00:21:04,130 --> 00:21:02,520 interesting because they're having 492 00:21:06,049 --> 00:21:04,140 conversations about that and trying to 493 00:21:08,330 --> 00:21:06,059 get that accomplished and here we see 494 00:21:11,630 --> 00:21:08,340 that happening for the you know actually 495 00:21:13,250 --> 00:21:11,640 in 2022 this past year and we see a lot 496 00:21:15,890 --> 00:21:13,260 of the same characters involved back 497 00:21:17,630 --> 00:21:15,900 then that we see today that are involved 498 00:21:20,930 --> 00:21:17,640 like back then how Bud off was very 499 00:21:22,909 --> 00:21:20,940 involved uh with Bigelow valet and nids 500 00:21:26,029 --> 00:21:22,919 and everything and Eric Davis and and 501 00:21:29,090 --> 00:21:26,039 here we are 2023 and and you know helped 502 00:21:32,029 --> 00:21:29,100 putoff had a lot to do with the ttsa and 503 00:21:34,430 --> 00:21:32,039 and the jump start of you know since 504 00:21:37,010 --> 00:21:34,440 2017 in the New York Times article and 505 00:21:39,049 --> 00:21:37,020 everything and how he's basically been 506 00:21:40,789 --> 00:21:39,059 involved in everything the whole way you 507 00:21:43,610 --> 00:21:40,799 know elizondo's connected to help code 508 00:21:46,250 --> 00:21:43,620 off like this thing this effort 509 00:21:49,070 --> 00:21:46,260 you know whatever it is to me it seems 510 00:21:52,909 --> 00:21:49,080 clear that it's been uh going on for a 511 00:21:56,390 --> 00:21:52,919 very long time you know absolutely 512 00:21:58,549 --> 00:21:56,400 absolutely I think I I appreciate that 513 00:22:01,430 --> 00:21:58,559 about him so much he's he's 514 00:22:03,409 --> 00:22:01,440 been ahead of the curve so much for so 515 00:22:05,270 --> 00:22:03,419 much of his life and you know a lot of 516 00:22:07,250 --> 00:22:05,280 people there's all there's often been a 517 00:22:10,490 --> 00:22:07,260 lot of intrigue around Jacques Valley 518 00:22:12,049 --> 00:22:10,500 because for example he assisted Jalen 519 00:22:15,230 --> 00:22:12,059 heineck during the Project Blue Book 520 00:22:18,890 --> 00:22:15,240 years and so you know there's there's 521 00:22:21,350 --> 00:22:18,900 and Jacques tends to 522 00:22:24,830 --> 00:22:21,360 um evolve his perspectives he's evolved 523 00:22:27,350 --> 00:22:24,840 his perspective on on the phenomenon and 524 00:22:29,750 --> 00:22:27,360 everything in relation to it 525 00:22:31,730 --> 00:22:29,760 um many many times over the years and so 526 00:22:33,350 --> 00:22:31,740 some people that have been in the 527 00:22:35,210 --> 00:22:33,360 community for a long time used to 528 00:22:37,130 --> 00:22:35,220 complain like oh he's a flip-flopper 529 00:22:39,169 --> 00:22:37,140 this that and the other thing 530 00:22:41,570 --> 00:22:39,179 um and in many ways what you can see 531 00:22:43,490 --> 00:22:41,580 from Reading you see the evolution of 532 00:22:46,669 --> 00:22:43,500 his thought through his Diaries and he 533 00:22:49,190 --> 00:22:46,679 becomes a much more interesting person 534 00:22:51,110 --> 00:22:49,200 from reading his Diaries in many ways 535 00:22:53,270 --> 00:22:51,120 because of the transparency that you're 536 00:22:54,710 --> 00:22:53,280 talking about you know as transparent as 537 00:22:56,450 --> 00:22:54,720 it can be I'm sure that there's days 538 00:22:57,830 --> 00:22:56,460 that he's editing out because he can't 539 00:22:59,450 --> 00:22:57,840 talk about something I'm sure that 540 00:23:01,610 --> 00:22:59,460 there's plenty of stuff that's happening 541 00:23:04,370 --> 00:23:01,620 that way but the amount that he lets 542 00:23:06,110 --> 00:23:04,380 people in it's a very brave thing that 543 00:23:07,610 --> 00:23:06,120 he does by publishing these Diaries and 544 00:23:10,789 --> 00:23:07,620 each of them you know each of these 545 00:23:13,669 --> 00:23:10,799 Diaries is around 500 pages long if not 546 00:23:15,470 --> 00:23:13,679 longer you know covering a decade and 547 00:23:18,070 --> 00:23:15,480 it'll be awesome I don't know if I will 548 00:23:21,110 --> 00:23:18,080 ever read the other ones because 549 00:23:24,049 --> 00:23:21,120 yeah can I just read a quick passage to 550 00:23:25,789 --> 00:23:24,059 give you an example okay so this is a 551 00:23:27,470 --> 00:23:25,799 good example of the kind of stuff that 552 00:23:29,930 --> 00:23:27,480 you get in here so 553 00:23:32,930 --> 00:23:29,940 um all these they're all broken down 554 00:23:34,789 --> 00:23:32,940 into almost like many chapters well 555 00:23:36,590 --> 00:23:34,799 they're broken down by day basically you 556 00:23:39,230 --> 00:23:36,600 know because it's a diary or whatever so 557 00:23:43,610 --> 00:23:39,240 and this day uh the 20th of February 558 00:23:47,690 --> 00:23:45,590 um he I'll just skip to this party goes 559 00:23:49,450 --> 00:23:47,700 over at nid's discussion has been raging 560 00:23:52,669 --> 00:23:49,460 about the 561 00:23:54,649 --> 00:23:52,679 m-e-d-e-a committee a group of experts 562 00:23:56,810 --> 00:23:54,659 including my friend Peter banks with 563 00:23:58,430 --> 00:23:56,820 access to surveillance satellite data 564 00:24:00,470 --> 00:23:58,440 physicist Eric Davis would like to join 565 00:24:02,990 --> 00:24:00,480 going on behalf of nids an idea that 566 00:24:04,610 --> 00:24:03,000 John Alexander finds unrealistic given 567 00:24:06,529 --> 00:24:04,620 the level of secrecy 568 00:24:09,409 --> 00:24:06,539 recalling the structure of special 569 00:24:12,110 --> 00:24:09,419 access programs like our remote viewing 570 00:24:15,409 --> 00:24:12,120 work at SRI helputoff reminded us that 571 00:24:17,289 --> 00:24:15,419 saps were not really Above Top Secret 572 00:24:19,789 --> 00:24:17,299 they're just 573 00:24:21,830 --> 00:24:19,799 compartmentalized in a special way in 574 00:24:24,230 --> 00:24:21,840 that vein John Alexander spoke 575 00:24:27,529 --> 00:24:24,240 mysteriously about a form of secret 576 00:24:31,730 --> 00:24:27,539 access called blue border which he 577 00:24:34,310 --> 00:24:31,740 claimed can get people killed so uh 578 00:24:36,470 --> 00:24:34,320 that's pretty 579 00:24:37,850 --> 00:24:36,480 it's pretty Insider baseball right there 580 00:24:40,190 --> 00:24:37,860 I don't know where you're gonna get 581 00:24:43,669 --> 00:24:40,200 information like that anywhere else you 582 00:24:46,070 --> 00:24:43,679 know absolutely absolutely absolutely 583 00:24:47,710 --> 00:24:46,080 you know I mean it's 584 00:24:51,529 --> 00:24:47,720 it's 585 00:24:53,270 --> 00:24:51,539 fascinating to see what what he talks 586 00:24:55,250 --> 00:24:53,280 about I mean I like I'm flipping through 587 00:24:57,590 --> 00:24:55,260 too and here's a random day and he's 588 00:24:59,450 --> 00:24:57,600 talking about in 1970 about meeting 589 00:25:03,529 --> 00:24:59,460 David Halperin 590 00:25:05,810 --> 00:25:03,539 um who who over the years became a very 591 00:25:08,630 --> 00:25:05,820 vital uh voice and kind of like the 592 00:25:09,950 --> 00:25:08,640 invisible college and and in talking 593 00:25:14,930 --> 00:25:09,960 about 594 00:25:16,970 --> 00:25:14,940 um the the uh unexplained uh situations 595 00:25:19,370 --> 00:25:16,980 throughout history through Antiquity to 596 00:25:21,710 --> 00:25:19,380 modern times the Jacques filet and Chris 597 00:25:24,110 --> 00:25:21,720 aubek started talking about more and 598 00:25:26,210 --> 00:25:24,120 wonders in the sky and and 599 00:25:28,010 --> 00:25:26,220 um and valet talked about a little bit 600 00:25:30,049 --> 00:25:28,020 in passports of begonia towards the back 601 00:25:31,789 --> 00:25:30,059 but um you know reading about these 602 00:25:33,350 --> 00:25:31,799 situations where he's meeting these 603 00:25:35,029 --> 00:25:33,360 figures that turned out to be historical 604 00:25:36,950 --> 00:25:35,039 figures and he's like oh you know I 605 00:25:38,510 --> 00:25:36,960 thought I got a good sense from him and 606 00:25:39,649 --> 00:25:38,520 I liked his eyes he had a nice eyes you 607 00:25:42,409 --> 00:25:39,659 know what I mean stuff like that it's 608 00:25:43,669 --> 00:25:42,419 like oh that's really cute and um and 609 00:25:45,289 --> 00:25:43,679 along the lines of what you're talking 610 00:25:47,450 --> 00:25:45,299 about with regard to like Congressional 611 00:25:48,549 --> 00:25:47,460 hearings that's I I was reading just the 612 00:25:53,269 --> 00:25:48,559 other day 613 00:25:55,850 --> 00:25:53,279 and I think goes in maybe a 70s yeah 72 614 00:25:58,130 --> 00:25:55,860 73 he had just joined the the DARPA 615 00:25:59,990 --> 00:25:58,140 project and he was you know he was 616 00:26:01,370 --> 00:26:00,000 working on the internet and he's like 617 00:26:03,289 --> 00:26:01,380 God I don't know how long this is going 618 00:26:05,090 --> 00:26:03,299 to take to get off the ground and even 619 00:26:06,970 --> 00:26:05,100 before he got to that project he had 620 00:26:09,529 --> 00:26:06,980 done early experiments at Stanford 621 00:26:11,330 --> 00:26:09,539 connecting different computer systems 622 00:26:14,510 --> 00:26:11,340 through the phone lines and so that he 623 00:26:16,669 --> 00:26:14,520 could send early email messages to the 624 00:26:18,830 --> 00:26:16,679 to the a woman that he was working with 625 00:26:20,750 --> 00:26:18,840 at the time on his design team on the 626 00:26:22,490 --> 00:26:20,760 supercomputer and he was like yeah you 627 00:26:25,250 --> 00:26:22,500 know we're working on putting about 30 628 00:26:27,169 --> 00:26:25,260 of these together 30 nodes together in 629 00:26:29,510 --> 00:26:27,179 this network and then he starts working 630 00:26:31,549 --> 00:26:29,520 at DARPA and they start getting really 631 00:26:33,769 --> 00:26:31,559 big picture about stuff right and he's 632 00:26:35,510 --> 00:26:33,779 like he's like they're you know they've 633 00:26:36,890 --> 00:26:35,520 got a lot of Big Ideas over here and 634 00:26:39,470 --> 00:26:36,900 he's like it's definitely going to 635 00:26:41,450 --> 00:26:39,480 happen it's inevitable and he's talking 636 00:26:43,010 --> 00:26:41,460 about you know in the early 1970s and 637 00:26:44,930 --> 00:26:43,020 he's like I think it's going to take 638 00:26:47,450 --> 00:26:44,940 about 30 years before this is in 639 00:26:49,250 --> 00:26:47,460 everybody's and this you know if people 640 00:26:51,350 --> 00:26:49,260 are if people are able to convince 641 00:26:53,090 --> 00:26:51,360 people that computers are worthwhile and 642 00:26:56,510 --> 00:26:53,100 useful I think it's going to take about 643 00:26:58,730 --> 00:26:56,520 30 years and just a thinking about him 644 00:27:01,190 --> 00:26:58,740 joining a project that he knows isn't 645 00:27:03,470 --> 00:27:01,200 isn't going to like totally pan out for 646 00:27:05,630 --> 00:27:03,480 maybe 30 years and then also that him 647 00:27:07,669 --> 00:27:05,640 being pretty dead on you know down to 648 00:27:10,730 --> 00:27:07,679 the air in terms of like when everybody 649 00:27:12,890 --> 00:27:10,740 did adopt uh you know adapt to the 650 00:27:14,750 --> 00:27:12,900 internet yeah stuff like that is 651 00:27:17,330 --> 00:27:14,760 absolutely amazing to see I'm sure not 652 00:27:19,070 --> 00:27:17,340 even he could really realize that the 653 00:27:21,950 --> 00:27:19,080 scope of what it turned into you know 654 00:27:23,390 --> 00:27:21,960 like yeah crazy but to be a part of that 655 00:27:26,630 --> 00:27:23,400 pretty cool 656 00:27:29,630 --> 00:27:26,640 um yeah another and you know we also 657 00:27:31,669 --> 00:27:29,640 hear uh some things that 658 00:27:34,490 --> 00:27:31,679 um that kind of tie some strings 659 00:27:35,870 --> 00:27:34,500 together about the Wilson Davis notes in 660 00:27:37,909 --> 00:27:35,880 here because it's during that time 661 00:27:40,850 --> 00:27:37,919 period the meeting I believe happened in 662 00:27:43,549 --> 00:27:40,860 99 or something like that 99 or 663 00:27:44,810 --> 00:27:43,559 something around there so this is in 664 00:27:47,690 --> 00:27:44,820 that time frame 665 00:27:49,730 --> 00:27:47,700 um and you get little Snippets and 666 00:27:51,950 --> 00:27:49,740 there's the last one I'll read but it's 667 00:27:53,570 --> 00:27:51,960 uh about zodiac you know so in the 668 00:27:55,909 --> 00:27:53,580 Wilson Davis notes is mentioned that 669 00:27:57,830 --> 00:27:55,919 there are some Gatekeepers uh that go by 670 00:28:00,590 --> 00:27:57,840 the name zodiac or whatever we're known 671 00:28:02,990 --> 00:28:00,600 as that uh the so he writes the first 672 00:28:07,250 --> 00:28:03,000 topic concerned the revelations of a 673 00:28:09,890 --> 00:28:07,260 former TRW employee uh 674 00:28:12,230 --> 00:28:09,900 an attorney friend of hers has gathered 675 00:28:14,269 --> 00:28:12,240 her testimony she was part of a secret 676 00:28:15,649 --> 00:28:14,279 reverse engineering project called 677 00:28:19,130 --> 00:28:15,659 zodiac 678 00:28:21,769 --> 00:28:19,140 uh Eric is in Eric Davis has compiled 679 00:28:24,649 --> 00:28:21,779 his own file but it doesn't lead to the 680 00:28:27,830 --> 00:28:24,659 verifiable hard facts we need 681 00:28:29,630 --> 00:28:27,840 so it it's extremely interesting then it 682 00:28:31,970 --> 00:28:29,640 goes on to say more interesting is the 683 00:28:33,890 --> 00:28:31,980 story of Kit green being briefed at a 684 00:28:35,690 --> 00:28:33,900 very high level about the UFO situation 685 00:28:37,490 --> 00:28:35,700 he was told that there had been three 686 00:28:41,570 --> 00:28:37,500 verified cases of alien Landings 687 00:28:44,750 --> 00:28:41,580 respectively 47 53 84 which would 688 00:28:46,490 --> 00:28:44,760 exclude Holloman he pointed out kit is 689 00:28:48,890 --> 00:28:46,500 puzzled about the briefing he trusts the 690 00:28:51,490 --> 00:28:48,900 people who gave it but is only half 691 00:28:54,110 --> 00:28:51,500 convinced the information is true so 692 00:28:55,549 --> 00:28:54,120 I'll just stop there but it's it it's 693 00:28:57,470 --> 00:28:55,559 pretty interesting you know they've been 694 00:29:00,049 --> 00:28:57,480 looking after going after the goodies 695 00:29:02,029 --> 00:29:00,059 for a very long time 696 00:29:03,710 --> 00:29:02,039 um you know it also kind of goes to show 697 00:29:05,810 --> 00:29:03,720 that they don't just uh you know believe 698 00:29:07,789 --> 00:29:05,820 anything that comes across their desks 699 00:29:09,950 --> 00:29:07,799 as far as like crashes and Technology 700 00:29:12,590 --> 00:29:09,960 like they still are 701 00:29:14,990 --> 00:29:12,600 um pretty can be skeptical about it for 702 00:29:17,450 --> 00:29:15,000 instance is kick green got briefed by 703 00:29:19,190 --> 00:29:17,460 some higher ups and he was puzzled about 704 00:29:21,950 --> 00:29:19,200 it and kind of only half believed it 705 00:29:23,810 --> 00:29:21,960 like so I know a lot of people like 706 00:29:26,269 --> 00:29:23,820 whether it be debunkers or people who 707 00:29:27,950 --> 00:29:26,279 don't like you know valet green and all 708 00:29:29,210 --> 00:29:27,960 those characters kind of think that 709 00:29:31,970 --> 00:29:29,220 they're just a bunch of goofballs and 710 00:29:34,190 --> 00:29:31,980 they believe anything Lynette's just you 711 00:29:36,230 --> 00:29:34,200 know not the case and you find that out 712 00:29:37,850 --> 00:29:36,240 by reading journals like this but which 713 00:29:40,909 --> 00:29:37,860 is work that those people don't really 714 00:29:43,370 --> 00:29:40,919 typically do but and it's and it's 715 00:29:45,889 --> 00:29:43,380 fascinating because you recognize 716 00:29:47,330 --> 00:29:45,899 you know you think about a person a lot 717 00:29:49,370 --> 00:29:47,340 of people in our community if they know 718 00:29:51,769 --> 00:29:49,380 who kid green is now that we're talking 719 00:29:53,630 --> 00:29:51,779 about Dr Christopher Greene who has 720 00:29:54,950 --> 00:29:53,640 worked in intelligence for many many 721 00:29:57,470 --> 00:29:54,960 decades 722 00:29:59,330 --> 00:29:57,480 um he he helped oversee the remote 723 00:30:01,490 --> 00:29:59,340 viewing project at Stanford Research 724 00:30:03,470 --> 00:30:01,500 Institute that uh he was the the 725 00:30:07,250 --> 00:30:03,480 go-between between Stanford Research 726 00:30:10,010 --> 00:30:07,260 Institute so Hal put off Russell Tark uh 727 00:30:11,630 --> 00:30:10,020 Ingo Swann all that that that group uh 728 00:30:13,570 --> 00:30:11,640 here's the go-between between them and 729 00:30:16,669 --> 00:30:13,580 the CIA when people said oh the CIA 730 00:30:19,130 --> 00:30:16,679 psychic program uh kid green was kind of 731 00:30:20,990 --> 00:30:19,140 like you know the the kneecap or the 732 00:30:23,029 --> 00:30:21,000 grease that was like helping put that 733 00:30:26,029 --> 00:30:23,039 together and he's been around ever since 734 00:30:27,889 --> 00:30:26,039 and it's fascinating to recognize as you 735 00:30:30,590 --> 00:30:27,899 can find in these journals and elsewhere 736 00:30:32,570 --> 00:30:30,600 that once you have this kind of inside a 737 00:30:34,850 --> 00:30:32,580 more inside perspective of these things 738 00:30:36,769 --> 00:30:34,860 people think that Cape green some people 739 00:30:38,690 --> 00:30:36,779 think that kid green is like you know 740 00:30:40,789 --> 00:30:38,700 right in the middle of everything and 741 00:30:43,010 --> 00:30:40,799 knows every yeah and knows quite a lot 742 00:30:44,930 --> 00:30:43,020 and he probably knows more than he says 743 00:30:46,370 --> 00:30:44,940 because he has a tendency to speak out 744 00:30:49,250 --> 00:30:46,380 of both sides of his mouth when he does 745 00:30:50,750 --> 00:30:49,260 speak publicly however there's been many 746 00:30:53,810 --> 00:30:50,760 notable cases like what you're talking 747 00:30:56,590 --> 00:30:53,820 about and kit green was famously one of 748 00:31:00,649 --> 00:30:56,600 the first people that received the the 749 00:31:03,169 --> 00:31:00,659 santilly alien autopsy footage back in 750 00:31:05,990 --> 00:31:03,179 the 90s that like took over the airwaves 751 00:31:08,149 --> 00:31:06,000 and there were like lots of early you 752 00:31:10,070 --> 00:31:08,159 know alien documentaries done about the 753 00:31:12,289 --> 00:31:10,080 alien autopsy video of people trying to 754 00:31:14,210 --> 00:31:12,299 pick it apart and things like that not 755 00:31:16,630 --> 00:31:14,220 to interrupt you but that thing is so 756 00:31:20,990 --> 00:31:19,130 like there's one part in that video 757 00:31:25,070 --> 00:31:21,000 where 758 00:31:27,169 --> 00:31:25,080 um the the surgeon or whatever is like 759 00:31:29,510 --> 00:31:27,179 writing something down and he's still in 760 00:31:31,310 --> 00:31:29,520 his medical gloves and he had just like 761 00:31:34,730 --> 00:31:31,320 scooped out the guts of this alien 762 00:31:36,769 --> 00:31:34,740 grabbed this pen right with his dirty 763 00:31:39,230 --> 00:31:36,779 gloves and put it on this piece of paper 764 00:31:40,549 --> 00:31:39,240 his dirty gloves and started writing and 765 00:31:41,930 --> 00:31:40,559 I'm like who would do that you would 766 00:31:44,330 --> 00:31:41,940 take that off you're not going to want 767 00:31:46,310 --> 00:31:44,340 to haul around this alien gut piece of 768 00:31:49,909 --> 00:31:46,320 paper everywhere you know like 769 00:31:52,130 --> 00:31:49,919 yeah you know that's that's one part of 770 00:31:54,769 --> 00:31:52,140 it but well I can tell you if I I mean 771 00:31:57,409 --> 00:31:54,779 in Devil's advocacy like I agree I I 772 00:31:59,389 --> 00:31:57,419 think to film this bunk however like if 773 00:32:01,549 --> 00:31:59,399 I if somebody was like Hey Jake can you 774 00:32:03,529 --> 00:32:01,559 uh autopsy this alien I'd probably be 775 00:32:06,529 --> 00:32:03,539 screwing up like left and right I'd be 776 00:32:08,510 --> 00:32:06,539 like yeah 777 00:32:11,029 --> 00:32:08,520 um yeah just freaking out I could be 778 00:32:12,350 --> 00:32:11,039 nervous and just be yeah just yeah but 779 00:32:13,850 --> 00:32:12,360 at the same time but at the same time 780 00:32:17,269 --> 00:32:13,860 you know there have been a lot of 781 00:32:21,049 --> 00:32:17,279 analyzes of of that footage and you know 782 00:32:22,549 --> 00:32:21,059 there does seem to be a tether you know 783 00:32:24,710 --> 00:32:22,559 the close like 784 00:32:26,750 --> 00:32:24,720 you know I don't want to put out lore 785 00:32:28,789 --> 00:32:26,760 that's that's like not completely 786 00:32:30,470 --> 00:32:28,799 verified or whatever but that's what we 787 00:32:31,669 --> 00:32:30,480 have to do all the time here 788 00:32:33,950 --> 00:32:31,679 um just because of the nature of the 789 00:32:36,169 --> 00:32:33,960 beast but you know part of the lore 790 00:32:40,669 --> 00:32:36,179 ended up being that like this this film 791 00:32:43,850 --> 00:32:40,679 was created to obscure a real story or a 792 00:32:47,990 --> 00:32:43,860 real sense of film and that a fake film 793 00:32:50,870 --> 00:32:48,000 was created by doing a kind of dramatic 794 00:32:53,330 --> 00:32:50,880 Reconstruction from two or three real 795 00:32:55,430 --> 00:32:53,340 frames of the actual footage of 796 00:32:57,830 --> 00:32:55,440 something that happened like this and so 797 00:33:00,950 --> 00:32:57,840 that was kind of like the kernel of the 798 00:33:04,190 --> 00:33:00,960 story that is kind of the accepted like 799 00:33:07,010 --> 00:33:04,200 a more accepted Truth Now by some 800 00:33:10,070 --> 00:33:07,020 parties is that there was a real autopsy 801 00:33:13,250 --> 00:33:10,080 video and that the room and like the 802 00:33:15,130 --> 00:33:13,260 whole the whole situation was meant to 803 00:33:18,230 --> 00:33:15,140 throw people off the trail of something 804 00:33:20,029 --> 00:33:18,240 that even if somebody had seen the real 805 00:33:21,889 --> 00:33:20,039 film and then saw the fake one if they 806 00:33:23,450 --> 00:33:21,899 just glanced at it they might have 807 00:33:26,330 --> 00:33:23,460 thought that that was is actually the 808 00:33:28,970 --> 00:33:26,340 real one right and so this is another 809 00:33:31,789 --> 00:33:28,980 situation where kit green got sent 810 00:33:34,549 --> 00:33:31,799 he like weirdly got sent disinformation 811 00:33:35,570 --> 00:33:34,559 or misinformation and you have to wonder 812 00:33:38,029 --> 00:33:35,580 like 813 00:33:40,070 --> 00:33:38,039 if he is at the level that he's been at 814 00:33:42,230 --> 00:33:40,080 in the CIA and stuff like that you know 815 00:33:44,509 --> 00:33:42,240 who is testing him 816 00:33:46,430 --> 00:33:44,519 why are they testing him you know what I 817 00:33:48,889 --> 00:33:46,440 mean who like adjacent to that zodiac 818 00:33:50,570 --> 00:33:48,899 group or who else who is testing a 819 00:33:52,789 --> 00:33:50,580 person like that 820 00:33:55,730 --> 00:33:52,799 um and he felt like he was being tested 821 00:33:57,950 --> 00:33:55,740 in situations like that you know and and 822 00:34:00,590 --> 00:33:57,960 it's it's fascinating 823 00:34:03,590 --> 00:34:00,600 um it all gets so dicey doesn't it like 824 00:34:06,049 --> 00:34:03,600 it does what are these people up to 825 00:34:08,750 --> 00:34:06,059 these Gatekeepers and and with this 826 00:34:12,290 --> 00:34:08,760 stuff like there's a huge story behind 827 00:34:14,930 --> 00:34:12,300 the scenes that I I hope one day uh we 828 00:34:17,750 --> 00:34:14,940 can figure it out you know whether 829 00:34:21,290 --> 00:34:17,760 whether it be you know covering up so 830 00:34:22,389 --> 00:34:21,300 maybe like whatever is going on let's 831 00:34:27,290 --> 00:34:22,399 say 832 00:34:30,409 --> 00:34:27,300 some interdimensional thing that maybe 833 00:34:34,310 --> 00:34:30,419 is kind of nasty or maybe it isn't maybe 834 00:34:36,169 --> 00:34:34,320 it's very nice and and they wanna you 835 00:34:37,669 --> 00:34:36,179 know come up with the narrative so so 836 00:34:39,770 --> 00:34:37,679 people don't know like something like 837 00:34:41,869 --> 00:34:39,780 that exists so they come up with aliens 838 00:34:44,389 --> 00:34:41,879 so you know make everyone think aliens 839 00:34:48,109 --> 00:34:44,399 so you know and in researching how 840 00:34:50,750 --> 00:34:48,119 aliens in in extraterrestrials 841 00:34:53,750 --> 00:34:50,760 first got into like the Press with with 842 00:34:55,730 --> 00:34:53,760 UFOs in it in 1949 and and all that kind 843 00:34:59,150 --> 00:34:55,740 of stuff and and how it's stuck around 844 00:35:01,849 --> 00:34:59,160 all that time is is just so 845 00:35:04,550 --> 00:35:01,859 so interesting to see the correlations 846 00:35:07,490 --> 00:35:04,560 the evolutions but also the things that 847 00:35:09,290 --> 00:35:07,500 remain the same as far as crash bodies 848 00:35:11,390 --> 00:35:09,300 saucer and all that kind of stuff and 849 00:35:13,849 --> 00:35:11,400 and then you read things like the CIA 850 00:35:16,970 --> 00:35:13,859 documents about psychological warfare 851 00:35:19,550 --> 00:35:16,980 and using UFOs for that and the wheels 852 00:35:21,109 --> 00:35:19,560 start spinning like what you know and 853 00:35:22,849 --> 00:35:21,119 you can put this picture together in 854 00:35:25,069 --> 00:35:22,859 your head but you know at the same time 855 00:35:27,470 --> 00:35:25,079 as at least for myself I have to step 856 00:35:29,630 --> 00:35:27,480 outside of that and realize like if I 857 00:35:31,490 --> 00:35:29,640 really wanted to and wanted to stretch 858 00:35:34,630 --> 00:35:31,500 my imagination I could make a lot of 859 00:35:39,290 --> 00:35:37,010 it doesn't mean one thing's true over 860 00:35:41,390 --> 00:35:39,300 the other but um yeah it's very very 861 00:35:43,069 --> 00:35:41,400 very very very interesting like Eric 862 00:35:46,730 --> 00:35:43,079 Davis actually in this Forbidden Science 863 00:35:49,069 --> 00:35:46,740 is is quoted as talking about these UFOs 864 00:35:51,050 --> 00:35:49,079 um and this is kind of off you know the 865 00:35:53,270 --> 00:35:51,060 topic but I'm just you know continuing 866 00:35:54,290 --> 00:35:53,280 the speculation Trend but these UFOs 867 00:35:56,270 --> 00:35:54,300 being 868 00:35:58,370 --> 00:35:56,280 um and this resonated with me that's why 869 00:36:01,370 --> 00:35:58,380 I wanted to make sure I mentioned it 870 00:36:04,790 --> 00:36:01,380 um that the UFOs are uh some sort of 871 00:36:07,010 --> 00:36:04,800 portal themselves you know because of 872 00:36:08,930 --> 00:36:07,020 what I saw especially this second thing 873 00:36:13,790 --> 00:36:08,940 I saw that came over my shoulder and it 874 00:36:16,970 --> 00:36:13,800 was like the circle thing it looked like 875 00:36:19,970 --> 00:36:16,980 like you know I would kind of Imagine a 876 00:36:21,530 --> 00:36:19,980 mini portal looking like like some could 877 00:36:23,270 --> 00:36:21,540 step through it or I could step through 878 00:36:24,650 --> 00:36:23,280 it or whatever 879 00:36:26,210 --> 00:36:24,660 um so it's very interesting and this 880 00:36:28,370 --> 00:36:26,220 portal thing keeps coming up in my life 881 00:36:30,290 --> 00:36:28,380 like my wife had a dream a couple weeks 882 00:36:32,690 --> 00:36:30,300 ago about a portal that was pretty 883 00:36:35,210 --> 00:36:32,700 interesting so that that keeps popping 884 00:36:37,130 --> 00:36:35,220 up and uh you know so there's all these 885 00:36:38,990 --> 00:36:37,140 different theories of what stuff is and 886 00:36:41,569 --> 00:36:39,000 what stuff isn't but but you can imagine 887 00:36:45,109 --> 00:36:41,579 if that's what UFOs really were were 888 00:36:47,329 --> 00:36:45,119 portals and the government somehow knew 889 00:36:48,950 --> 00:36:47,339 that and they didn't want anyone knowing 890 00:36:51,230 --> 00:36:48,960 that because well if you step through 891 00:36:52,190 --> 00:36:51,240 that changes everything 892 00:36:54,050 --> 00:36:52,200 um 893 00:36:57,109 --> 00:36:54,060 maybe they come up with something like 894 00:36:59,569 --> 00:36:57,119 aliens you know I don't know yeah I mean 895 00:37:01,670 --> 00:36:59,579 a couple of things that brought that 896 00:37:05,569 --> 00:37:01,680 that just brought up for me one is that 897 00:37:07,849 --> 00:37:05,579 you know in talking about portals 898 00:37:09,290 --> 00:37:07,859 um you know it's it's interesting 899 00:37:11,810 --> 00:37:09,300 because people talk a lot about 900 00:37:14,930 --> 00:37:11,820 portaling technology these days and like 901 00:37:18,410 --> 00:37:14,940 Eric Davis wrote a really really 902 00:37:20,510 --> 00:37:18,420 interesting paper for those dirts that 903 00:37:22,730 --> 00:37:20,520 came out the George Knapp played a heavy 904 00:37:24,349 --> 00:37:22,740 hand and and being able to get out that 905 00:37:27,349 --> 00:37:24,359 Hal put off 906 00:37:29,329 --> 00:37:27,359 um helped commission along with uh com 907 00:37:31,550 --> 00:37:29,339 Kelleher and other and other folks 908 00:37:34,849 --> 00:37:31,560 through the ASAP program the preceded 909 00:37:37,130 --> 00:37:34,859 atip and so they're those there we have 910 00:37:39,349 --> 00:37:37,140 I think all but two of the thirds have 911 00:37:41,810 --> 00:37:39,359 been have been released now and one of 912 00:37:43,970 --> 00:37:41,820 them was a was like a really 913 00:37:45,470 --> 00:37:43,980 wonderful and interesting paper that we 914 00:37:47,230 --> 00:37:45,480 actually talked about a little bit on 915 00:37:50,510 --> 00:37:47,240 the show at one point about a year ago 916 00:37:52,550 --> 00:37:50,520 on traversable wormholes uh that Eric 917 00:37:54,230 --> 00:37:52,560 gave yeah and so 918 00:37:55,609 --> 00:37:54,240 um you know this has obviously been 919 00:37:57,170 --> 00:37:55,619 something that people at pretty high 920 00:37:59,270 --> 00:37:57,180 levels in the field have been thinking 921 00:38:01,790 --> 00:37:59,280 about for a while and now especially 922 00:38:04,490 --> 00:38:01,800 considering like we have these hot spots 923 00:38:07,910 --> 00:38:04,500 by Catalina Islands uh you know just 924 00:38:10,310 --> 00:38:07,920 east of Miami East of my Virginia Beach 925 00:38:13,370 --> 00:38:10,320 um way off the coast of Australia people 926 00:38:15,890 --> 00:38:13,380 talk about other ones that um that 927 00:38:18,550 --> 00:38:15,900 people wonder you know is this a base 928 00:38:21,770 --> 00:38:18,560 underwater is this a base under under 929 00:38:23,870 --> 00:38:21,780 the water like right you know in you 930 00:38:26,690 --> 00:38:23,880 know closer to the core of the earth is 931 00:38:29,870 --> 00:38:26,700 it just a portal is this like a kind of 932 00:38:32,810 --> 00:38:29,880 permanently based portal and then at the 933 00:38:35,770 --> 00:38:32,820 on another level you know there's also 934 00:38:39,770 --> 00:38:35,780 many many accounts when people 935 00:38:43,010 --> 00:38:39,780 uh give testimony of being taken into a 936 00:38:45,470 --> 00:38:43,020 craft or seeing even just seeing into a 937 00:38:47,990 --> 00:38:45,480 craft that the craft that the space 938 00:38:49,490 --> 00:38:48,000 inside this much bigger yeah is much 939 00:38:52,550 --> 00:38:49,500 bigger than it appears on the outside 940 00:38:54,530 --> 00:38:52,560 which brings up the idea that these that 941 00:38:56,930 --> 00:38:54,540 some of these could essentially be like 942 00:39:00,290 --> 00:38:56,940 flying doorways that they could be like 943 00:39:01,970 --> 00:39:00,300 drones that have like like a Stargate 944 00:39:03,349 --> 00:39:01,980 kind of like built into them and that's 945 00:39:05,210 --> 00:39:03,359 essentially what they are you know 946 00:39:07,609 --> 00:39:05,220 there's and that and if you think about 947 00:39:09,890 --> 00:39:07,619 it that would actually be a really 948 00:39:11,870 --> 00:39:09,900 interesting protective scheme so that if 949 00:39:13,430 --> 00:39:11,880 it crashed people wouldn't necessarily 950 00:39:16,130 --> 00:39:13,440 know what to do with it there wouldn't 951 00:39:17,750 --> 00:39:16,140 be any bodies nobody would die but you 952 00:39:19,970 --> 00:39:17,760 know people could come in and out and do 953 00:39:22,250 --> 00:39:19,980 what they need to do without having to 954 00:39:23,870 --> 00:39:22,260 necessarily even leave whatever their 955 00:39:25,250 --> 00:39:23,880 native realm is whether that's somewhere 956 00:39:26,390 --> 00:39:25,260 else here on Earth or somewhere else 957 00:39:30,050 --> 00:39:26,400 right 958 00:39:32,089 --> 00:39:30,060 um and there are cool stories about like 959 00:39:34,310 --> 00:39:32,099 strange doorways that seem 960 00:39:38,390 --> 00:39:34,320 technologically reinforced for some 961 00:39:40,250 --> 00:39:38,400 reason and um in accounts like in um uh 962 00:39:41,750 --> 00:39:40,260 Earth and alien Enterprise by Timothy 963 00:39:44,930 --> 00:39:41,760 good there's some really great accounts 964 00:39:47,210 --> 00:39:44,940 of like these strange early accounts of 965 00:39:49,609 --> 00:39:47,220 of people walking into craft and having 966 00:39:52,430 --> 00:39:49,619 to pass through some strange kind of 967 00:39:55,370 --> 00:39:52,440 like pressurized seeming doorway 968 00:39:57,170 --> 00:39:55,380 um that sounds like and the space inside 969 00:39:59,990 --> 00:39:57,180 being bigger than it is on the outside 970 00:40:02,690 --> 00:40:00,000 which is pretty fascinating yeah so 971 00:40:05,150 --> 00:40:02,700 really cool fascinating yeah it's really 972 00:40:06,710 --> 00:40:05,160 fun to think about but you know when we 973 00:40:07,970 --> 00:40:06,720 go through this stuff I always you know 974 00:40:13,130 --> 00:40:07,980 think of 975 00:40:15,530 --> 00:40:13,140 the heck you know and that that just 976 00:40:17,329 --> 00:40:15,540 really resonated with me was was that 977 00:40:19,310 --> 00:40:17,339 could be a possibility well I ever know 978 00:40:21,050 --> 00:40:19,320 it is I don't know but I know Eric Davis 979 00:40:22,670 --> 00:40:21,060 is a hell of a lot smarter than me so 980 00:40:25,670 --> 00:40:22,680 whatever I'm thinking I should probably 981 00:40:26,569 --> 00:40:25,680 listen to him and see what he thinks you 982 00:40:30,890 --> 00:40:26,579 know 983 00:40:33,290 --> 00:40:30,900 yeah and he's got some great interviews 984 00:40:36,230 --> 00:40:33,300 out there before he had to kind of be 985 00:40:37,609 --> 00:40:36,240 quiet for his for his current job 986 00:40:39,650 --> 00:40:37,619 um he did a good interview with 987 00:40:41,870 --> 00:40:39,660 Alejandro Rojas that people point to 988 00:40:44,690 --> 00:40:41,880 often he did another interesting one 989 00:40:46,970 --> 00:40:44,700 with Erica Luke's and he did that he did 990 00:40:48,710 --> 00:40:46,980 that Infamous like 20-minute one with 991 00:40:50,870 --> 00:40:48,720 Stephen Green Street before Green Street 992 00:40:52,730 --> 00:40:50,880 kind of flipped over into being a 993 00:40:54,770 --> 00:40:52,740 full-on skeptic 994 00:40:57,710 --> 00:40:54,780 um right and those are interesting but 995 00:40:59,990 --> 00:40:57,720 if you really want a lot a really good 996 00:41:01,550 --> 00:41:00,000 um inroad into Eric Davis's thinking he 997 00:41:02,990 --> 00:41:01,560 does have public papers that are out 998 00:41:05,329 --> 00:41:03,000 there on the internet and they do have 999 00:41:07,370 --> 00:41:05,339 some great breadcrumbs and it would be 1000 00:41:09,589 --> 00:41:07,380 interesting to like you know bring a 1001 00:41:11,089 --> 00:41:09,599 couple people in and talk about some of 1002 00:41:12,890 --> 00:41:11,099 those papers again because they're just 1003 00:41:14,930 --> 00:41:12,900 sitting there you know what I mean and 1004 00:41:17,089 --> 00:41:14,940 like this diary you know there's there's 1005 00:41:18,410 --> 00:41:17,099 a lot to kind of take in 1006 00:41:21,530 --> 00:41:18,420 um here 1007 00:41:23,569 --> 00:41:21,540 um and you can get great kernels of 1008 00:41:25,250 --> 00:41:23,579 information from this stuff 1009 00:41:28,010 --> 00:41:25,260 um and it's just sitting here waiting to 1010 00:41:30,770 --> 00:41:28,020 be uh kind of kind of integrated into 1011 00:41:32,930 --> 00:41:30,780 into our understanding right well yeah 1012 00:41:34,609 --> 00:41:32,940 that could be a good topic for for a 1013 00:41:38,170 --> 00:41:34,619 show 1014 00:41:42,770 --> 00:41:38,180 um the work of Mr Eric Davis 1015 00:41:45,589 --> 00:41:42,780 yeah so the the other new uh thing that 1016 00:41:49,250 --> 00:41:45,599 is going down I see we're at 40 minutes 1017 00:41:51,250 --> 00:41:49,260 so I'll hurry this up here 1018 00:41:55,790 --> 00:41:51,260 um 1019 00:41:57,890 --> 00:41:55,800 is this new series on netgeo 1020 00:41:59,390 --> 00:41:57,900 Yeah by someone who's been on this very 1021 00:42:01,970 --> 00:41:59,400 show before 1022 00:42:04,849 --> 00:42:01,980 that's right uh Leslie Kane 1023 00:42:07,130 --> 00:42:04,859 that's right yeah Leslie's got this 1024 00:42:09,170 --> 00:42:07,140 great new show coming up I 1025 00:42:10,069 --> 00:42:09,180 um I actually 1026 00:42:11,030 --> 00:42:10,079 I 1027 00:42:14,990 --> 00:42:11,040 um 1028 00:42:18,470 --> 00:42:15,000 recently I'm gonna I'm trying to resist 1029 00:42:20,329 --> 00:42:18,480 humble bragging about it but um she is 1030 00:42:22,010 --> 00:42:20,339 um she's really psyched about the show 1031 00:42:24,470 --> 00:42:22,020 so for those of you that don't know it's 1032 00:42:28,730 --> 00:42:24,480 called UFOs investigating the unknown it 1033 00:42:30,710 --> 00:42:28,740 was originally slated to premiere on CNN 1034 00:42:32,930 --> 00:42:30,720 um there was a a controversy people 1035 00:42:35,329 --> 00:42:32,940 wondered whether CNN didn't want to 1036 00:42:37,130 --> 00:42:35,339 handle the show it was actually on our 1037 00:42:38,750 --> 00:42:37,140 show she said it was looking like it 1038 00:42:41,329 --> 00:42:38,760 would be out in like July or something 1039 00:42:42,829 --> 00:42:41,339 so then that's right that's kind of 1040 00:42:45,170 --> 00:42:42,839 where things were and then what you're 1041 00:42:47,150 --> 00:42:45,180 talking about happened yeah exactly and 1042 00:42:50,270 --> 00:42:47,160 so what happened was 1043 00:42:52,790 --> 00:42:50,280 um is that CNN got bought it got bought 1044 00:42:55,490 --> 00:42:52,800 by this guy David zasloff who has owned 1045 00:42:57,290 --> 00:42:55,500 discussion for a long time so he's 1046 00:42:59,510 --> 00:42:57,300 actually he used to be my boss I I used 1047 00:43:01,130 --> 00:42:59,520 to work for Discovery like producing TV 1048 00:43:03,829 --> 00:43:01,140 and I've actually met Davidson oh right 1049 00:43:07,910 --> 00:43:03,839 he's a very is a very imposing figure so 1050 00:43:10,670 --> 00:43:07,920 David zasloff he bought HBO Max he 1051 00:43:12,530 --> 00:43:10,680 bought CNN he's just he bought DC Comics 1052 00:43:14,990 --> 00:43:12,540 he's but he bought Warner Brothers he 1053 00:43:16,490 --> 00:43:15,000 bought all sorts of stuff and um just 1054 00:43:18,829 --> 00:43:16,500 over the last couple years like a huge 1055 00:43:20,809 --> 00:43:18,839 power play and so in doing that he's 1056 00:43:23,510 --> 00:43:20,819 been consolidating some of the 1057 00:43:25,670 --> 00:43:23,520 properties that he's had and so so that 1058 00:43:29,329 --> 00:43:25,680 he has now and so he shut down CNN 1059 00:43:31,550 --> 00:43:29,339 documentary films to like which seems 1060 00:43:34,790 --> 00:43:31,560 like a horrible mistake but he also has 1061 00:43:37,130 --> 00:43:34,800 a bunch of documentary like bureaus 1062 00:43:39,349 --> 00:43:37,140 within other aspects of this whole 1063 00:43:41,150 --> 00:43:39,359 portfolio right and so but the thing was 1064 00:43:44,809 --> 00:43:41,160 is that a bunch of projects like this 1065 00:43:47,030 --> 00:43:44,819 got shut down at CNN because all of a 1066 00:43:49,550 --> 00:43:47,040 sudden like CNN plus their online 1067 00:43:52,430 --> 00:43:49,560 documentary hosting went down everything 1068 00:43:54,530 --> 00:43:52,440 like that with the funding went down but 1069 00:43:56,930 --> 00:43:54,540 breakthrough films who produced this 1070 00:44:00,710 --> 00:43:56,940 with Leslie and a director named Ricky 1071 00:44:04,069 --> 00:44:00,720 Stern they bought back the project from 1072 00:44:06,470 --> 00:44:04,079 what I understand and are now they 1073 00:44:08,329 --> 00:44:06,480 chopped it around and now it's going now 1074 00:44:10,490 --> 00:44:08,339 it's actually going to be seen by way 1075 00:44:13,010 --> 00:44:10,500 more people because CNN is actually not 1076 00:44:14,569 --> 00:44:13,020 watched by that many folks it's you know 1077 00:44:16,250 --> 00:44:14,579 it's obviously interesting because it's 1078 00:44:18,829 --> 00:44:16,260 a news channel but now it's going to be 1079 00:44:20,329 --> 00:44:18,839 shown on netgeo National Geographic then 1080 00:44:22,609 --> 00:44:20,339 the next day it's going to show up on 1081 00:44:25,430 --> 00:44:22,619 Hulu and then it's going to premiere on 1082 00:44:28,990 --> 00:44:25,440 Vice and Disney plus so it's going to be 1083 00:44:33,290 --> 00:44:29,000 on four different networks and streamers 1084 00:44:34,609 --> 00:44:33,300 all you know from the end of February or 1085 00:44:37,730 --> 00:44:34,619 early March 1086 00:44:40,790 --> 00:44:37,740 um you know forever and on after that 1087 00:44:42,170 --> 00:44:40,800 um so I I look forward to it I like the 1088 00:44:44,870 --> 00:44:42,180 different themes for the for the 1089 00:44:47,450 --> 00:44:44,880 episodes uh episode one Secret Pentagon 1090 00:44:49,430 --> 00:44:47,460 UFO program so they're taking a deep 1091 00:44:51,710 --> 00:44:49,440 dive behind you know the story that 1092 00:44:55,309 --> 00:44:51,720 she's responsible for along with uh 1093 00:44:56,990 --> 00:44:55,319 Ralph Blumenthal and homemade Cooper so 1094 00:44:58,730 --> 00:44:57,000 it looks like they might be bouncing off 1095 00:45:02,329 --> 00:44:58,740 that a little bit which is great episode 1096 00:45:06,130 --> 00:45:02,339 two we got a giant UFO in Texas 1097 00:45:10,370 --> 00:45:08,569 episode three Close Encounters at 1098 00:45:12,050 --> 00:45:10,380 nuclear bases I'm very familiar with 1099 00:45:15,050 --> 00:45:12,060 those 1100 00:45:17,510 --> 00:45:15,060 um and the Hudson Valley wave which is a 1101 00:45:20,809 --> 00:45:17,520 very under talked about situation there 1102 00:45:23,089 --> 00:45:20,819 so that's cool uh absolutely four 1103 00:45:25,609 --> 00:45:23,099 citizens take charge I'm not sure what 1104 00:45:28,130 --> 00:45:25,619 to expect here but I'm sure it'll be 1105 00:45:30,290 --> 00:45:28,140 pretty good it looks just like um some 1106 00:45:32,569 --> 00:45:30,300 pissed off people trying to get some 1107 00:45:35,510 --> 00:45:32,579 disclosure possibly citizens Witnesses 1108 00:45:38,809 --> 00:45:35,520 witness citizens I'm not in it I should 1109 00:45:41,390 --> 00:45:38,819 be used but I'm not in that episode five 1110 00:45:43,550 --> 00:45:41,400 government breaks silence examines 2015 1111 00:45:46,490 --> 00:45:43,560 Navy pilot reports estrangent counters 1112 00:45:49,550 --> 00:45:46,500 said 2022 Congressional hearing 1113 00:45:52,190 --> 00:45:49,560 um so yeah uh looks good uh oh I'm sure 1114 00:45:54,410 --> 00:45:52,200 it'll be done well uh Leslie does a 1115 00:45:55,670 --> 00:45:54,420 great job with things that she's a part 1116 00:45:57,829 --> 00:45:55,680 of 1117 00:45:59,390 --> 00:45:57,839 um it'll be great quality it'll be good 1118 00:46:01,250 --> 00:45:59,400 details 1119 00:46:02,630 --> 00:46:01,260 um so yeah I'm looking looking very much 1120 00:46:06,050 --> 00:46:02,640 forward to that I don't I don't think 1121 00:46:08,510 --> 00:46:06,060 we'll be like learning in again we're in 1122 00:46:10,250 --> 00:46:08,520 this situation where you know it hasn't 1123 00:46:13,309 --> 00:46:10,260 aired yet but again we're in this 1124 00:46:16,550 --> 00:46:13,319 situation where you know something neat 1125 00:46:19,910 --> 00:46:16,560 is coming out but it's not 1126 00:46:22,010 --> 00:46:19,920 you know it's it's not for 1127 00:46:24,230 --> 00:46:22,020 it's not for like 1128 00:46:26,150 --> 00:46:24,240 um to teach 1129 00:46:28,250 --> 00:46:26,160 anything new to people who have been 1130 00:46:31,609 --> 00:46:28,260 lazing around this topic for a long time 1131 00:46:34,250 --> 00:46:31,619 I guess it's it's more so 1132 00:46:38,329 --> 00:46:34,260 putting together 1133 00:46:40,609 --> 00:46:38,339 um you know a good uh reliable uh story 1134 00:46:42,650 --> 00:46:40,619 as far as what has been happening and 1135 00:46:45,290 --> 00:46:42,660 presenting that to the public you know 1136 00:46:48,170 --> 00:46:45,300 who may not be so aware of it absolutely 1137 00:46:52,609 --> 00:46:48,180 it's I mean it's it's clear that that 1138 00:46:54,349 --> 00:46:52,619 they're making an attempt to to get 1139 00:46:56,270 --> 00:46:54,359 um more people in the public up to speed 1140 00:46:58,609 --> 00:46:56,280 to to where we are in the conversation 1141 00:47:00,410 --> 00:46:58,619 which is great because there have been 1142 00:47:01,790 --> 00:47:00,420 so many times I mean how many times just 1143 00:47:03,230 --> 00:47:01,800 in the the time that you've been 1144 00:47:05,089 --> 00:47:03,240 involved in the field Sean have you had 1145 00:47:07,370 --> 00:47:05,099 to like go like oh wait you have to go 1146 00:47:09,770 --> 00:47:07,380 back and contextualize whatever you just 1147 00:47:11,329 --> 00:47:09,780 said so that like whoever so that no 1148 00:47:12,589 --> 00:47:11,339 child is Left Behind you know what I 1149 00:47:14,569 --> 00:47:12,599 mean in the audience and stuff like that 1150 00:47:16,490 --> 00:47:14,579 and it can be hard to like think to do 1151 00:47:19,190 --> 00:47:16,500 it and like it's hard to know where to 1152 00:47:21,589 --> 00:47:19,200 go that way so it's wonderful to have to 1153 00:47:23,329 --> 00:47:21,599 have places like this and to have series 1154 00:47:25,609 --> 00:47:23,339 like this that are coming out that are 1155 00:47:27,950 --> 00:47:25,619 from respectable sources that are 1156 00:47:31,250 --> 00:47:27,960 covering like pretty unimpeachable cases 1157 00:47:34,609 --> 00:47:31,260 you know with regard to the field and 1158 00:47:38,809 --> 00:47:34,619 that and doing a better concise kind of 1159 00:47:40,069 --> 00:47:38,819 101 201 like you know kind of like this 1160 00:47:42,290 --> 00:47:40,079 should be the history books of the 1161 00:47:44,089 --> 00:47:42,300 phenomenon in some ways right I think 1162 00:47:45,890 --> 00:47:44,099 you and I and a lot of other people feel 1163 00:47:48,050 --> 00:47:45,900 the same way that there's compelling 1164 00:47:50,630 --> 00:47:48,060 evidence that exists compelling cases 1165 00:47:53,930 --> 00:47:50,640 compelling testimony 1166 00:47:56,750 --> 00:47:53,940 um it but it's it's just about 1167 00:47:58,790 --> 00:47:56,760 um revealing that to 1168 00:47:59,870 --> 00:47:58,800 people that would feel the same if they 1169 00:48:01,670 --> 00:47:59,880 saw it 1170 00:48:04,609 --> 00:48:01,680 you know who have their minds open to 1171 00:48:06,650 --> 00:48:04,619 that stuff like my mind was was never 1172 00:48:08,450 --> 00:48:06,660 open to this kind of thing being a 1173 00:48:10,069 --> 00:48:08,460 reality until I actually did the work 1174 00:48:11,750 --> 00:48:10,079 and started reading the documents and 1175 00:48:13,370 --> 00:48:11,760 the files and and all that kind of stuff 1176 00:48:15,470 --> 00:48:13,380 it's like this is 1177 00:48:17,150 --> 00:48:15,480 way more compelling than I thought it 1178 00:48:19,430 --> 00:48:17,160 was going to be 1179 00:48:21,170 --> 00:48:19,440 you know there's there's yeah there's a 1180 00:48:22,790 --> 00:48:21,180 lot of junk at least in like the blue 1181 00:48:24,829 --> 00:48:22,800 book files there's a lot of junk in 1182 00:48:26,569 --> 00:48:24,839 there but uh you know you keep going 1183 00:48:28,970 --> 00:48:26,579 through it and painting the picture and 1184 00:48:31,550 --> 00:48:28,980 you're like wow they're I mean they're 1185 00:48:33,290 --> 00:48:31,560 so many more there's so many cases that 1186 00:48:37,130 --> 00:48:33,300 are just like I can't believe this you 1187 00:48:38,750 --> 00:48:37,140 know yeah so and you know put it 1188 00:48:40,730 --> 00:48:38,760 packaging that but it's really difficult 1189 00:48:44,150 --> 00:48:40,740 to be able to package that in an 1190 00:48:45,950 --> 00:48:44,160 educational revealing way 1191 00:48:47,809 --> 00:48:45,960 um where it would hit home with somebody 1192 00:48:50,150 --> 00:48:47,819 who doesn't necessarily know about any 1193 00:48:51,890 --> 00:48:50,160 of this you know because anytime at 1194 00:48:55,309 --> 00:48:51,900 least for me when I first saw Lou 1195 00:48:57,710 --> 00:48:55,319 Elizondo and about that show like I was 1196 00:48:59,150 --> 00:48:57,720 very suspect of it and him and the first 1197 00:49:01,790 --> 00:48:59,160 thing I'm thinking is like what the hell 1198 00:49:04,250 --> 00:49:01,800 is our government up to now like yeah 1199 00:49:06,530 --> 00:49:04,260 with you know pretending to do this 1200 00:49:08,390 --> 00:49:06,540 stuff or whatever and then other people 1201 00:49:10,250 --> 00:49:08,400 will go towards like the grifting 1202 00:49:12,950 --> 00:49:10,260 scenario like this person just wants 1203 00:49:15,530 --> 00:49:12,960 money or whatever like sure like it 1204 00:49:17,930 --> 00:49:15,540 being a reality is always like the last 1205 00:49:19,970 --> 00:49:17,940 thing for someone to pick after they 1206 00:49:21,770 --> 00:49:19,980 work through the other scenarios you 1207 00:49:23,750 --> 00:49:21,780 know and you can see that with like Blue 1208 00:49:25,250 --> 00:49:23,760 Book files too like when you read 1209 00:49:26,870 --> 00:49:25,260 through them 1210 00:49:28,490 --> 00:49:26,880 um actually like uh you know 1211 00:49:32,030 --> 00:49:28,500 otherworldly or whatever was never an 1212 00:49:33,650 --> 00:49:32,040 option it was it was always just like it 1213 00:49:37,309 --> 00:49:33,660 can't be so therefore it isn't basically 1214 00:49:39,710 --> 00:49:37,319 is is the you know the saying that works 1215 00:49:41,569 --> 00:49:39,720 well for that so it's not a balloon so 1216 00:49:43,130 --> 00:49:41,579 it must be planes if it's not playing it 1217 00:49:44,990 --> 00:49:43,140 must be a meteor if it's not meteor it 1218 00:49:47,329 --> 00:49:45,000 must be Venus if it's not Venus it's 1219 00:49:49,010 --> 00:49:47,339 probably a bowline if it's not that we 1220 00:49:50,870 --> 00:49:49,020 just don't have enough information yes 1221 00:49:53,510 --> 00:49:50,880 sir but you have radar and the person 1222 00:49:55,910 --> 00:49:53,520 saw it and they made the same track you 1223 00:49:57,470 --> 00:49:55,920 know but yeah well you know 1224 00:50:00,530 --> 00:49:57,480 um you know I wasn't there but it was 1225 00:50:03,470 --> 00:50:00,540 probably Venus in a balloon so you know 1226 00:50:06,410 --> 00:50:03,480 because it can't be so therefore It 1227 00:50:09,349 --> 00:50:06,420 Isn't So yeah so 1228 00:50:13,010 --> 00:50:09,359 I don't know it's a difficult task to to 1229 00:50:15,589 --> 00:50:13,020 try to you know reveal things 1230 00:50:17,630 --> 00:50:15,599 um like unlike the way Leslie does yeah 1231 00:50:20,150 --> 00:50:17,640 yeah because you're essentially that's 1232 00:50:22,609 --> 00:50:20,160 it's like you have to people have to 1233 00:50:24,230 --> 00:50:22,619 unlearn all these biases that they've 1234 00:50:25,910 --> 00:50:24,240 that they've built up over their lives 1235 00:50:27,530 --> 00:50:25,920 you know like oh that's impossible 1236 00:50:29,030 --> 00:50:27,540 that's impossible because they were 1237 00:50:32,270 --> 00:50:29,040 trained to think that it's impossible 1238 00:50:35,210 --> 00:50:32,280 and in fact that's not true but you know 1239 00:50:37,069 --> 00:50:35,220 and also you know one cool thing for 1240 00:50:38,510 --> 00:50:37,079 folks like us I mean it's important to 1241 00:50:40,849 --> 00:50:38,520 recognize that this Project's been in 1242 00:50:43,490 --> 00:50:40,859 limbo for about a year and so you know 1243 00:50:45,650 --> 00:50:43,500 people like us that are like in it every 1244 00:50:47,390 --> 00:50:45,660 day are gonna be like oh some of this it 1245 00:50:48,770 --> 00:50:47,400 feels like old news or it's you know 1246 00:50:51,349 --> 00:50:48,780 this is a one-on-one thing or whatever 1247 00:50:53,450 --> 00:50:51,359 but you know at the same time you know 1248 00:50:55,190 --> 00:50:53,460 in in episode two it's gonna it's gonna 1249 00:50:57,530 --> 00:50:55,200 be talking about it's going to use 1250 00:50:59,270 --> 00:50:57,540 Stevensville as as a jumping off point 1251 00:51:02,630 --> 00:50:59,280 to talk about 1252 00:51:04,250 --> 00:51:02,640 um uh debunking you know it says uh it 1253 00:51:06,349 --> 00:51:04,260 examines why the one serious government 1254 00:51:08,089 --> 00:51:06,359 effort transitioned to a PR campaign to 1255 00:51:10,010 --> 00:51:08,099 amongst a phenomenon it's nonsense 1256 00:51:11,870 --> 00:51:10,020 despite evidence to the contrary these 1257 00:51:13,970 --> 00:51:11,880 are great things for people to hear and 1258 00:51:16,490 --> 00:51:13,980 one cool thing for people like us you 1259 00:51:18,829 --> 00:51:16,500 know real researchers of the field fans 1260 00:51:21,049 --> 00:51:18,839 of the field really enthusiasts of of 1261 00:51:24,890 --> 00:51:21,059 the lore in the history is that Leslie 1262 00:51:26,930 --> 00:51:24,900 and and the film crew got an amazing 1263 00:51:28,549 --> 00:51:26,940 assortment of of some of the biggest 1264 00:51:30,290 --> 00:51:28,559 luminaries in the field to show up in 1265 00:51:32,630 --> 00:51:30,300 the show so Jacques valet is a talking 1266 00:51:34,790 --> 00:51:32,640 ahead on the show and uh Ralph 1267 00:51:37,490 --> 00:51:34,800 Blumenthal as a talking head Leslie of 1268 00:51:40,670 --> 00:51:37,500 course is you've got Ryan Graves you've 1269 00:51:43,790 --> 00:51:40,680 got James Fox you've got like some kind 1270 00:51:46,430 --> 00:51:43,800 of like uh some folks that aren't as 1271 00:51:48,170 --> 00:51:46,440 well known but are absolute heads with 1272 00:51:49,370 --> 00:51:48,180 certain certain stuff like Linda 1273 00:51:52,069 --> 00:51:49,380 Zimmerman who is one of the biggest 1274 00:51:53,329 --> 00:51:52,079 experts on the Hudson Valley wave shows 1275 00:51:57,470 --> 00:51:53,339 up in the show 1276 00:51:59,210 --> 00:51:57,480 um Helene Cooper who um who who co-wrote 1277 00:52:03,890 --> 00:51:59,220 the original front page article with 1278 00:52:06,950 --> 00:52:03,900 Ralph and Leslie and is like a big DC uh 1279 00:52:09,349 --> 00:52:06,960 attache for the for the New York Times 1280 00:52:11,270 --> 00:52:09,359 um like so there's going to be some some 1281 00:52:13,069 --> 00:52:11,280 great people showing up that you can't 1282 00:52:15,290 --> 00:52:13,079 that you know you're not going to find 1283 00:52:17,569 --> 00:52:15,300 on a program like Ancient Aliens or 1284 00:52:18,950 --> 00:52:17,579 something like that and and I'm I'm 1285 00:52:21,650 --> 00:52:18,960 really psyched about that I think it's 1286 00:52:24,109 --> 00:52:21,660 gonna be awesome Ancient Aliens is is 1287 00:52:25,309 --> 00:52:24,119 you know that's that's an interesting 1288 00:52:26,870 --> 00:52:25,319 one 1289 00:52:28,790 --> 00:52:26,880 um 1290 00:52:32,390 --> 00:52:28,800 no I'll say 1291 00:52:34,490 --> 00:52:32,400 like I think that show it serves a 1292 00:52:37,609 --> 00:52:34,500 little bit of a purpose as far as like 1293 00:52:40,549 --> 00:52:37,619 if it's the right person it can expand 1294 00:52:44,270 --> 00:52:40,559 their thought process and absolutely you 1295 00:52:46,670 --> 00:52:44,280 know even though the dots really don't 1296 00:52:48,410 --> 00:52:46,680 you know it's a super stretch to think 1297 00:52:49,970 --> 00:52:48,420 that they connect at all in some of the 1298 00:52:53,450 --> 00:52:49,980 scenarios that they play out on that 1299 00:52:56,089 --> 00:52:53,460 show actually most of them 1300 00:52:57,049 --> 00:52:56,099 um it still forces you to have that 1301 00:52:59,329 --> 00:52:57,059 thought 1302 00:53:02,630 --> 00:52:59,339 you know of 1303 00:53:04,430 --> 00:53:02,640 you know Ancient Aliens or you know how 1304 00:53:06,290 --> 00:53:04,440 what our history look like and what's 1305 00:53:08,510 --> 00:53:06,300 possible and at the end of the day you 1306 00:53:10,910 --> 00:53:08,520 might go oh that's stupid but at least 1307 00:53:11,710 --> 00:53:10,920 you know you're going through that kind 1308 00:53:17,270 --> 00:53:11,720 of 1309 00:53:19,370 --> 00:53:17,280 yourself there to look at it and make a 1310 00:53:21,650 --> 00:53:19,380 decision on what you think about it and 1311 00:53:24,290 --> 00:53:21,660 it's interesting so kind of when you 1312 00:53:26,210 --> 00:53:24,300 hear things that are maybe a little more 1313 00:53:28,370 --> 00:53:26,220 plausible which is very easy after 1314 00:53:31,250 --> 00:53:28,380 watching that show it makes a little 1315 00:53:33,349 --> 00:53:31,260 more sense to you you know yeah no 1316 00:53:36,430 --> 00:53:33,359 that's outlandish but this 1317 00:53:39,530 --> 00:53:36,440 yeah this is actually that makes it 1318 00:53:42,410 --> 00:53:39,540 makes kind of sense you know like if if 1319 00:53:44,030 --> 00:53:42,420 somebody's swearing constantly right and 1320 00:53:45,770 --> 00:53:44,040 dropping up bombs and all that kind of 1321 00:53:47,329 --> 00:53:45,780 stuff and you just get done talking to 1322 00:53:49,609 --> 00:53:47,339 the person you're like wow that guy's 1323 00:53:52,430 --> 00:53:49,619 vulgar you know and then you go talk to 1324 00:53:55,250 --> 00:53:52,440 somebody else who maybe says once 1325 00:53:59,089 --> 00:53:55,260 in an hour-long conversation 1326 00:54:03,109 --> 00:54:01,069 and I mean and there's you know there's 1327 00:54:05,089 --> 00:54:03,119 some like less grounded people that show 1328 00:54:06,829 --> 00:54:05,099 up on Ancient Aliens there's some more 1329 00:54:08,329 --> 00:54:06,839 grounded people that show up my friend 1330 00:54:11,089 --> 00:54:08,339 Mitch Horowitz shows up on Ancient 1331 00:54:13,069 --> 00:54:11,099 Aliens sometimes he's awesome I like him 1332 00:54:14,990 --> 00:54:13,079 you know what I mean like uh I used to 1333 00:54:16,910 --> 00:54:15,000 do some work for Richard Dolan he's on 1334 00:54:18,349 --> 00:54:16,920 that show all the time and he's he's got 1335 00:54:20,089 --> 00:54:18,359 a lot of grounded stuff and then there's 1336 00:54:21,470 --> 00:54:20,099 other folks but yeah as you're saying 1337 00:54:24,470 --> 00:54:21,480 like there's there's 1338 00:54:25,790 --> 00:54:24,480 it's if it hits you at the right time it 1339 00:54:27,589 --> 00:54:25,800 can be like a step in the right 1340 00:54:29,990 --> 00:54:27,599 direction because you know maybe for 1341 00:54:31,910 --> 00:54:30,000 some people you know they see these guys 1342 00:54:34,490 --> 00:54:31,920 with the big hair and stuff like this 1343 00:54:35,930 --> 00:54:34,500 and then and then they sit there and 1344 00:54:37,849 --> 00:54:35,940 they think you know whether it's a kid 1345 00:54:40,309 --> 00:54:37,859 whether it's whether an adult and they 1346 00:54:42,829 --> 00:54:40,319 go well yeah like why were the Pyramids 1347 00:54:44,450 --> 00:54:42,839 built they are weird you know like I 1348 00:54:46,250 --> 00:54:44,460 thought people were buried there but 1349 00:54:48,349 --> 00:54:46,260 they weren't and like it's got all these 1350 00:54:50,270 --> 00:54:48,359 weird like cosmetic angles and stuff 1351 00:54:52,910 --> 00:54:50,280 what's that about and it is you know 1352 00:54:55,430 --> 00:54:52,920 those can be like tethers those can be 1353 00:54:57,049 --> 00:54:55,440 anchors to get people to to to think 1354 00:54:59,150 --> 00:54:57,059 outside the box and that can be great 1355 00:55:01,190 --> 00:54:59,160 and like I used you know I used to watch 1356 00:55:02,930 --> 00:55:01,200 it you know because like partially 1357 00:55:04,309 --> 00:55:02,940 because it was one of the only reliable 1358 00:55:07,069 --> 00:55:04,319 things on television that would be 1359 00:55:09,109 --> 00:55:07,079 covering this topic and even when I 1360 00:55:11,270 --> 00:55:09,119 disagreed with it and even when it gave 1361 00:55:14,450 --> 00:55:11,280 me a big headache like it did make me 1362 00:55:15,530 --> 00:55:14,460 feel like um it can be validating for 1363 00:55:17,089 --> 00:55:15,540 people that have had an almost 1364 00:55:19,190 --> 00:55:17,099 experiences to watch something that's 1365 00:55:21,170 --> 00:55:19,200 adjacent even sometimes when it's wrong 1366 00:55:23,210 --> 00:55:21,180 you know what I mean is the thing or 1367 00:55:24,770 --> 00:55:23,220 when it's fake kind of like how we 1368 00:55:27,589 --> 00:55:24,780 watched you know science fiction movies 1369 00:55:29,569 --> 00:55:27,599 and stuff like that like super eight you 1370 00:55:31,010 --> 00:55:29,579 know that JJ Abrams alien movie that 1371 00:55:32,510 --> 00:55:31,020 doesn't look like any alien that 1372 00:55:34,010 --> 00:55:32,520 anybody's reported that I've heard of 1373 00:55:36,710 --> 00:55:34,020 but it was a really entertaining movie 1374 00:55:40,069 --> 00:55:36,720 and it was fun to watch right with 1375 00:55:41,750 --> 00:55:40,079 regards to what it could you know and if 1376 00:55:43,849 --> 00:55:41,760 you want to figure out like what 1377 00:55:47,030 --> 00:55:43,859 something so complicated mysterious is 1378 00:55:50,150 --> 00:55:47,040 like you you really have to like try and 1379 00:55:52,670 --> 00:55:50,160 think of almost everything right yeah 1380 00:55:55,370 --> 00:55:52,680 you have to so and that's a part of the 1381 00:55:57,530 --> 00:55:55,380 yeah the brainstorming process right so 1382 00:55:59,510 --> 00:55:57,540 yeah you can't fault it for that am I 1383 00:56:02,990 --> 00:55:59,520 gonna watch all the episodes definitely 1384 00:56:04,970 --> 00:56:03,000 not you know yeah yeah but but there's 1385 00:56:07,130 --> 00:56:04,980 it's on purpose for different people I 1386 00:56:10,130 --> 00:56:07,140 think you know So Different Different 1387 00:56:11,870 --> 00:56:10,140 Strokes for different folks for sure 1388 00:56:13,549 --> 00:56:11,880 um well here we are at the top of the 1389 00:56:15,410 --> 00:56:13,559 hour we didn't get to quite all the 1390 00:56:17,089 --> 00:56:15,420 stuff that we wanted to this week but 1391 00:56:18,710 --> 00:56:17,099 you know what we're gonna we're gonna 1392 00:56:22,430 --> 00:56:18,720 come back soon we're gonna come back 1393 00:56:24,530 --> 00:56:22,440 soon yeah so next week I don't think 1394 00:56:27,349 --> 00:56:24,540 we're gonna have a show by the way but 1395 00:56:30,410 --> 00:56:27,359 the week after we'll be back so taking a 1396 00:56:34,549 --> 00:56:30,420 little time and I'll we'll come back and 1397 00:56:37,250 --> 00:56:34,559 and yeah we didn't well I'll cover 1398 00:56:38,750 --> 00:56:37,260 yeah we didn't get to the the weaponized 1399 00:56:40,790 --> 00:56:38,760 the last episode of weaponized or 1400 00:56:43,490 --> 00:56:40,800 anything like that I'll cover that 1401 00:56:45,170 --> 00:56:43,500 yeah after you bow out there's gonna be 1402 00:56:46,609 --> 00:56:45,180 I'll keep going a little bit okay 1403 00:56:47,990 --> 00:56:46,619 there's gonna be a yeah there's gonna be 1404 00:56:49,130 --> 00:56:48,000 some cool stuff okay you're gonna keep 1405 00:56:51,109 --> 00:56:49,140 going that sounds great you know one 1406 00:56:53,510 --> 00:56:51,119 thing that I was thinking about 1407 00:56:55,670 --> 00:56:53,520 um Chris aubek you know who co-wrote 1408 00:56:58,370 --> 00:56:55,680 wonders in the sky about these you know 1409 00:57:01,309 --> 00:56:58,380 these historical cases uh you know 1410 00:57:03,170 --> 00:57:01,319 before flight before we had flight 1411 00:57:05,750 --> 00:57:03,180 um with filet he just put out a new book 1412 00:57:07,130 --> 00:57:05,760 and um he's living on he's living over 1413 00:57:09,530 --> 00:57:07,140 in Spain and I had a little back and 1414 00:57:11,870 --> 00:57:09,540 forth with him he would be really fun to 1415 00:57:12,589 --> 00:57:11,880 have on the show at some point yeah I'm 1416 00:57:14,210 --> 00:57:12,599 down 1417 00:57:17,569 --> 00:57:14,220 cool all right well I'll get in touch 1418 00:57:19,730 --> 00:57:17,579 with them down that'd be super fun all 1419 00:57:20,930 --> 00:57:19,740 right well I'll leave you and the rest 1420 00:57:22,849 --> 00:57:20,940 of the audience I gotta go to an 1421 00:57:25,670 --> 00:57:22,859 appointment in Manhattan but I love you 1422 00:57:27,589 --> 00:57:25,680 brother yeah love you too man I'm so 1423 00:57:30,049 --> 00:57:27,599 happy to see you today this has been a 1424 00:57:31,430 --> 00:57:30,059 great conversation see everybody have a 1425 00:57:33,290 --> 00:57:31,440 great rest of the day 1426 00:57:35,870 --> 00:57:33,300 thanks man see you soon all right see 1427 00:57:38,630 --> 00:57:35,880 you everybody bye-bye 1428 00:57:40,130 --> 00:57:38,640 all right so we don't do this very often 1429 00:57:41,569 --> 00:57:40,140 I'm gonna keep going here because 1430 00:57:44,349 --> 00:57:41,579 there's a couple other things we didn't 1431 00:57:47,630 --> 00:57:44,359 talk about the first one is 1432 00:57:50,150 --> 00:57:47,640 uh weaponized Jeremy Corbell and 1433 00:57:52,970 --> 00:57:50,160 George's naps uh podcast they did their 1434 00:57:54,710 --> 00:57:52,980 second episode uh this past Tuesday and 1435 00:57:56,809 --> 00:57:54,720 in that episode 1436 00:57:58,190 --> 00:57:56,819 um Jimmy Corbell played a couple clips 1437 00:58:01,130 --> 00:57:58,200 from 1438 00:58:05,450 --> 00:58:01,140 um some Navy people that were uh at the 1439 00:58:07,670 --> 00:58:05,460 2019 West Coast uh UFO uh drone swarm uh 1440 00:58:09,170 --> 00:58:07,680 events 1441 00:58:10,609 --> 00:58:09,180 um and he played like their testimony 1442 00:58:12,109 --> 00:58:10,619 and you'll have to go back and watch the 1443 00:58:13,730 --> 00:58:12,119 episode I put that in the description of 1444 00:58:15,170 --> 00:58:13,740 the video 1445 00:58:19,510 --> 00:58:15,180 um 1446 00:58:21,890 --> 00:58:19,520 and yeah you know so there's 1447 00:58:23,690 --> 00:58:21,900 you know is the case closed I don't 1448 00:58:25,609 --> 00:58:23,700 think it's closed um the the one thing 1449 00:58:27,230 --> 00:58:25,619 that I would like to see which just 1450 00:58:29,450 --> 00:58:27,240 doesn't seem possible apparently right 1451 00:58:31,609 --> 00:58:29,460 now is I would like for these people not 1452 00:58:33,170 --> 00:58:31,619 to be anonymous I would like them to put 1453 00:58:34,549 --> 00:58:33,180 their name on it 1454 00:58:36,170 --> 00:58:34,559 um you know I understand people don't 1455 00:58:38,270 --> 00:58:36,180 want to show their face or anything I 1456 00:58:42,410 --> 00:58:38,280 get it and but I would like that to be 1457 00:58:45,109 --> 00:58:42,420 the case because the argument over it uh 1458 00:58:46,730 --> 00:58:45,119 not being just drones 1459 00:58:49,910 --> 00:58:46,740 um even though to a lot of people you 1460 00:58:51,710 --> 00:58:49,920 know it's going to be clear-cut but to 1461 00:58:53,690 --> 00:58:51,720 like the mass public or anything like 1462 00:58:55,370 --> 00:58:53,700 that but like you you got to put a name 1463 00:58:56,630 --> 00:58:55,380 on there you got to put a real person to 1464 00:58:58,730 --> 00:58:56,640 it 1465 00:58:59,569 --> 00:58:58,740 um so so hopefully that can happen at 1466 00:59:01,250 --> 00:58:59,579 some point 1467 00:59:03,049 --> 00:59:01,260 um because until it does I don't I don't 1468 00:59:04,370 --> 00:59:03,059 know how far we can go with that they 1469 00:59:06,890 --> 00:59:04,380 did bring 1470 00:59:08,809 --> 00:59:06,900 um a great uh guest on the show a friend 1471 00:59:10,430 --> 00:59:08,819 of Jeremy corbell's 1472 00:59:12,109 --> 00:59:10,440 um John Gutierrez hopefully I didn't 1473 00:59:13,730 --> 00:59:12,119 screw that name up super guy he's 1474 00:59:16,190 --> 00:59:13,740 actually still serving which is quite 1475 00:59:17,750 --> 00:59:16,200 odd you don't see that very often he's 1476 00:59:20,210 --> 00:59:17,760 still serving in the military and he 1477 00:59:23,030 --> 00:59:20,220 gave a lot of great context to things he 1478 00:59:24,829 --> 00:59:23,040 actually said I believe he said that he 1479 00:59:26,690 --> 00:59:24,839 spoke to somebody that was actually a 1480 00:59:29,150 --> 00:59:26,700 part of those events and they described 1481 00:59:31,549 --> 00:59:29,160 it as you know not just simply a drone 1482 00:59:33,289 --> 00:59:31,559 and everything so 1483 00:59:34,370 --> 00:59:33,299 um watch it make it make up your own 1484 00:59:35,089 --> 00:59:34,380 mind 1485 00:59:37,190 --> 00:59:35,099 um 1486 00:59:40,069 --> 00:59:37,200 and and I should also say like an in 1487 00:59:41,329 --> 00:59:40,079 journalism and things like that 1488 00:59:42,530 --> 00:59:41,339 um 1489 00:59:46,069 --> 00:59:42,540 you know 1490 00:59:48,349 --> 00:59:46,079 um someone being anonymous like in in 1491 00:59:51,530 --> 00:59:48,359 being a part of a major news story is is 1492 00:59:53,930 --> 00:59:51,540 not uh it's a thing that happens like 1493 00:59:56,930 --> 00:59:53,940 that does happen outside of the UFO 1494 00:59:58,970 --> 00:59:56,940 world and it the those stories can be 1495 01:00:00,530 --> 00:59:58,980 very legitimate like this one probably 1496 01:00:05,750 --> 01:00:00,540 is 1497 01:00:07,490 --> 01:00:05,760 um The Havana syndrome 1498 01:00:10,370 --> 01:00:07,500 uh The Havana syndrome I think it was 1499 01:00:12,170 --> 01:00:10,380 CNN or maybe one of the other channels 1500 01:00:13,609 --> 01:00:12,180 did it did a piece on it and one of the 1501 01:00:15,470 --> 01:00:13,619 witnesses who was affected by the 1502 01:00:17,450 --> 01:00:15,480 venison wanted to come forward and talk 1503 01:00:18,770 --> 01:00:17,460 about it but I think they were still a 1504 01:00:21,049 --> 01:00:18,780 part of the Department of State or 1505 01:00:22,370 --> 01:00:21,059 something of the sort and their body was 1506 01:00:24,109 --> 01:00:22,380 blacked out and you could only hear 1507 01:00:26,510 --> 01:00:24,119 their voice talking about it and they 1508 01:00:27,109 --> 01:00:26,520 gave the person a fake name 1509 01:00:30,770 --> 01:00:27,119 um 1510 01:00:33,109 --> 01:00:30,780 so so that is a thing that happens you 1511 01:00:34,609 --> 01:00:33,119 know so just because Jeremy Corbell is 1512 01:00:36,950 --> 01:00:34,619 doing it and it's in the UFO world 1513 01:00:38,750 --> 01:00:36,960 doesn't mean it's bunk and not real 1514 01:00:41,030 --> 01:00:38,760 that's not the case at all like that 1515 01:00:42,710 --> 01:00:41,040 does happen in journalism so especially 1516 01:00:45,950 --> 01:00:42,720 when you're still serving which which 1517 01:00:47,750 --> 01:00:45,960 these Witnesses uh purportedly are 1518 01:00:50,270 --> 01:00:47,760 um I can understand that 1519 01:00:52,490 --> 01:00:50,280 um but still uh if we want to take it a 1520 01:00:53,210 --> 01:00:52,500 step forward and actually you know 1521 01:00:55,549 --> 01:00:53,220 um 1522 01:00:57,650 --> 01:00:55,559 you know just if we want to go further 1523 01:00:59,569 --> 01:00:57,660 with it I think we have to get names and 1524 01:01:01,549 --> 01:00:59,579 people on the record so 1525 01:01:04,430 --> 01:01:01,559 hopefully that happens 1526 01:01:06,530 --> 01:01:04,440 the other thing that 1527 01:01:08,690 --> 01:01:06,540 um I I can touch on briefly here is 1528 01:01:11,809 --> 01:01:08,700 somebody mentioned in the chat I believe 1529 01:01:12,910 --> 01:01:11,819 it was Lord Lord bass 1530 01:01:16,910 --> 01:01:12,920 um 1531 01:01:19,670 --> 01:01:16,920 was there's Ryan Graves as a new podcast 1532 01:01:21,289 --> 01:01:19,680 um Ryan Graves is kind of came out as a 1533 01:01:23,390 --> 01:01:21,299 Navy pilot 1534 01:01:26,030 --> 01:01:23,400 um a couple years ago regarding a bunch 1535 01:01:29,569 --> 01:01:26,040 of uh UFO incidences on the East Coast 1536 01:01:32,569 --> 01:01:29,579 where he said the pilots were seeing 1537 01:01:33,670 --> 01:01:32,579 these every day for at least a year more 1538 01:01:35,870 --> 01:01:33,680 than that even 1539 01:01:37,309 --> 01:01:35,880 and it seemed like mostly they were 1540 01:01:38,710 --> 01:01:37,319 seeing them on their radar although a 1541 01:01:41,990 --> 01:01:38,720 couple people actually saw him in person 1542 01:01:43,670 --> 01:01:42,000 but anyways he started his own podcast 1543 01:01:45,950 --> 01:01:43,680 in the world of podcast for the most 1544 01:01:49,010 --> 01:01:45,960 part seems to be to bring pilots on 1545 01:01:52,069 --> 01:01:49,020 there to actually give their testimony 1546 01:01:54,230 --> 01:01:52,079 um of different UFO events or you know 1547 01:01:56,870 --> 01:01:54,240 sightings that they've had for me 1548 01:02:00,410 --> 01:01:56,880 personally I'll tell you what I think 1549 01:02:02,630 --> 01:02:00,420 um you know I've read a lot of pilot 1550 01:02:05,750 --> 01:02:02,640 testimony all back in the day from the 1551 01:02:08,690 --> 01:02:05,760 late 40s to the 60s even like newspaper 1552 01:02:12,049 --> 01:02:08,700 testimony or World audio testimony of 1553 01:02:13,849 --> 01:02:12,059 six you know 60s 70s 80s 90s whatever so 1554 01:02:16,430 --> 01:02:13,859 I know that these pilot sightings have 1555 01:02:19,730 --> 01:02:16,440 been going on for you know 1556 01:02:21,650 --> 01:02:19,740 since planes existed basically 1557 01:02:23,569 --> 01:02:21,660 um so 1558 01:02:25,849 --> 01:02:23,579 you know that's 1559 01:02:28,190 --> 01:02:25,859 it's not amazing to me that part of it 1560 01:02:29,690 --> 01:02:28,200 but what is amazing is that somebody is 1561 01:02:32,150 --> 01:02:29,700 actually picking up the slack to 1562 01:02:35,870 --> 01:02:32,160 continue this testimony and document 1563 01:02:37,670 --> 01:02:35,880 that testimony you know because it does 1564 01:02:39,349 --> 01:02:37,680 continue to happen and I'm glad those 1565 01:02:41,230 --> 01:02:39,359 people are speaking out and that Ryan's 1566 01:02:44,270 --> 01:02:41,240 giving them a place to do that 1567 01:02:46,670 --> 01:02:44,280 because those Pilots need a place to 1568 01:02:48,470 --> 01:02:46,680 talk about it you know if you watch that 1569 01:02:50,210 --> 01:02:48,480 last podcast it's clear that people 1570 01:02:51,950 --> 01:02:50,220 don't talk about it Pilots don't talk 1571 01:02:53,990 --> 01:02:51,960 about it but that doesn't mean it 1572 01:02:58,069 --> 01:02:54,000 doesn't happen it does happen 1573 01:02:59,210 --> 01:02:58,079 so and Ryan's you know a very 1574 01:03:02,569 --> 01:02:59,220 um 1575 01:03:06,289 --> 01:03:04,609 very good you know very good pilot 1576 01:03:08,329 --> 01:03:06,299 well-respected pilot 1577 01:03:10,730 --> 01:03:08,339 um and did a great job in the Navy and I 1578 01:03:12,650 --> 01:03:10,740 thank him for his service so so you know 1579 01:03:15,170 --> 01:03:12,660 giving 1580 01:03:16,730 --> 01:03:15,180 um these Pilots a platform to tell their 1581 01:03:18,170 --> 01:03:16,740 story and feel comfortable telling it 1582 01:03:20,390 --> 01:03:18,180 without being ridiculed and all that 1583 01:03:22,430 --> 01:03:20,400 kind of stuff is fantastic so I'm glad 1584 01:03:24,890 --> 01:03:22,440 that's happening watch his podcast it's 1585 01:03:26,990 --> 01:03:24,900 called merged podcast his first episode 1586 01:03:28,849 --> 01:03:27,000 was with Dr Gary Nolan which was pretty 1587 01:03:31,390 --> 01:03:28,859 good and the second one was with the 1588 01:03:34,430 --> 01:03:31,400 pilot that was a part of like the first 1589 01:03:37,190 --> 01:03:34,440 commercial pilot uh drone sighting 1590 01:03:41,270 --> 01:03:37,200 that's come up or UFOs that's come up 1591 01:03:42,170 --> 01:03:41,280 recently through uh Ben Hansen and 1592 01:03:44,150 --> 01:03:42,180 um 1593 01:03:46,549 --> 01:03:44,160 so it's very interesting to hear his 1594 01:03:49,490 --> 01:03:46,559 story he talks about some lights that he 1595 01:03:51,650 --> 01:03:49,500 sees uh above his altitude about 10 000 1596 01:03:53,450 --> 01:03:51,660 feet above his altitude Which is higher 1597 01:03:56,870 --> 01:03:53,460 than his plane could even fly and and 1598 01:03:58,910 --> 01:03:56,880 and Commercial planes in general can fly 1599 01:04:01,609 --> 01:03:58,920 um and he does a very interesting story 1600 01:04:04,430 --> 01:04:01,619 about one this others like a couple of 1601 01:04:06,589 --> 01:04:04,440 these lights and then what looked like a 1602 01:04:08,690 --> 01:04:06,599 shooting stars zipped in and then 1603 01:04:10,609 --> 01:04:08,700 stopped on a dime to join these lights 1604 01:04:13,130 --> 01:04:10,619 and they circled and all that kind of 1605 01:04:16,370 --> 01:04:13,140 stuff so pretty crazy wild stuff makes 1606 01:04:19,970 --> 01:04:16,380 you wonder what is happening over there 1607 01:04:24,049 --> 01:04:19,980 and the lines continue to get blurred as 1608 01:04:27,289 --> 01:04:24,059 human technology progresses as well so 1609 01:04:29,829 --> 01:04:27,299 um you know um it becomes difficult to 1610 01:04:34,370 --> 01:04:29,839 kind of decipher what things are 1611 01:04:37,130 --> 01:04:34,380 unless you're up close or or whatever so 1612 01:04:38,870 --> 01:04:37,140 that kind of gets frustrating but I hope 1613 01:04:40,730 --> 01:04:38,880 Pilots continue 1614 01:04:43,069 --> 01:04:40,740 um to talk about this stuff and go on 1615 01:04:44,809 --> 01:04:43,079 Ryan's show because that's great uh I 1616 01:04:47,569 --> 01:04:44,819 hope at some point 1617 01:04:49,789 --> 01:04:47,579 you know we can um 1618 01:04:52,670 --> 01:04:49,799 hear more I what I'd really like to hear 1619 01:04:54,650 --> 01:04:52,680 more about is and if I had the the 1620 01:04:55,910 --> 01:04:54,660 ability to get more experiences on here 1621 01:04:58,130 --> 01:04:55,920 I definitely would because I'm really 1622 01:05:00,230 --> 01:04:58,140 interested in in hearing the human 1623 01:05:03,589 --> 01:05:00,240 aspect of this and how these sightings 1624 01:05:05,809 --> 01:05:03,599 or whatever affect people you know 1625 01:05:07,430 --> 01:05:05,819 um some people not so much but some 1626 01:05:08,809 --> 01:05:07,440 people they really are affected by it 1627 01:05:10,490 --> 01:05:08,819 and it's something that stays with them 1628 01:05:12,069 --> 01:05:10,500 the rest of their life and I'd really 1629 01:05:14,210 --> 01:05:12,079 love to hear more about that because 1630 01:05:17,089 --> 01:05:14,220 that to me 1631 01:05:19,490 --> 01:05:17,099 um is the reality of this thing right 1632 01:05:20,990 --> 01:05:19,500 how it affects the person how it affects 1633 01:05:23,809 --> 01:05:21,000 their life how it affects what they 1634 01:05:25,670 --> 01:05:23,819 think about the decisions they make and 1635 01:05:27,289 --> 01:05:25,680 what they spend their time on 1636 01:05:29,329 --> 01:05:27,299 um that that's where the real story is 1637 01:05:30,650 --> 01:05:29,339 to me so hopefully 1638 01:05:33,789 --> 01:05:30,660 um you know something like that can 1639 01:05:36,650 --> 01:05:33,799 happen at some point so 1640 01:05:38,329 --> 01:05:36,660 The Last Story 1641 01:05:40,430 --> 01:05:38,339 that I think we're going to talk about 1642 01:05:47,210 --> 01:05:40,440 is 1643 01:05:48,109 --> 01:05:47,220 even read the article yet so I'm not 1644 01:05:51,289 --> 01:05:48,119 gonna 1645 01:05:52,670 --> 01:05:51,299 really get into it you you can click on 1646 01:05:53,870 --> 01:05:52,680 it it's in the description of the video 1647 01:05:56,450 --> 01:05:53,880 basically 1648 01:06:00,650 --> 01:05:56,460 um somebody's doing some some AI stuff 1649 01:06:02,630 --> 01:06:00,660 along uh with these uh radio telescopes 1650 01:06:04,130 --> 01:06:02,640 trying to pick up extraterrestrial 1651 01:06:05,569 --> 01:06:04,140 techno signatures there's eight 1652 01:06:08,270 --> 01:06:05,579 possibilities 1653 01:06:09,710 --> 01:06:08,280 so far which is very interesting 1654 01:06:11,630 --> 01:06:09,720 um although these never really seem to 1655 01:06:13,670 --> 01:06:11,640 turn out for whatever reason 1656 01:06:16,430 --> 01:06:13,680 the one thing I was thinking about uh 1657 01:06:19,190 --> 01:06:16,440 already uh with that is well I wasn't 1658 01:06:21,589 --> 01:06:19,200 seti doing that already you know said 1659 01:06:23,750 --> 01:06:21,599 he's supposed to be doing this kind of 1660 01:06:25,370 --> 01:06:23,760 stuff and it seems like someone from the 1661 01:06:27,589 --> 01:06:25,380 outside comes in it's like I'll use 1662 01:06:29,150 --> 01:06:27,599 artificial intelligence to decide to try 1663 01:06:31,609 --> 01:06:29,160 to sift through all these signals to 1664 01:06:33,470 --> 01:06:31,619 actually find an extraterrestrial one 1665 01:06:35,450 --> 01:06:33,480 and I'm just thinking like why is it 1666 01:06:38,329 --> 01:06:35,460 seti already doing that 1667 01:06:39,890 --> 01:06:38,339 just kind of uh I don't know City to me 1668 01:06:40,730 --> 01:06:39,900 kind of seems like a joke most of the 1669 01:06:42,170 --> 01:06:40,740 time 1670 01:06:44,630 --> 01:06:42,180 so 1671 01:06:46,910 --> 01:06:44,640 there's that story but 1672 01:06:49,130 --> 01:06:46,920 uh with that being said 1673 01:06:51,289 --> 01:06:49,140 uh I wrote a couple new articles you can 1674 01:06:55,130 --> 01:06:51,299 go to my website witnesscitizen.com to 1675 01:06:56,270 --> 01:06:55,140 read them one is UA UAP and nukes the 1676 01:06:58,849 --> 01:06:56,280 early years 1677 01:07:01,670 --> 01:06:58,859 so if you're not familiar already you 1678 01:07:04,089 --> 01:07:01,680 can learn about some which are actually 1679 01:07:06,950 --> 01:07:04,099 a lot of accounts at uh nuclear 1680 01:07:12,529 --> 01:07:06,960 establishments back in the late 40s Los 1681 01:07:15,109 --> 01:07:12,539 Alamos Kirtland Air Force Base Camp Hood 1682 01:07:17,870 --> 01:07:15,119 um so I wrote a little bit about that 1683 01:07:21,829 --> 01:07:17,880 and then I wrote a piece about a couple 1684 01:07:24,049 --> 01:07:21,839 stories where a Townson Brown 1685 01:07:25,970 --> 01:07:24,059 um popped up in Blue Book files and I 1686 01:07:28,069 --> 01:07:25,980 know you may not know who that is but if 1687 01:07:29,990 --> 01:07:28,079 you read the article I have links to 1688 01:07:31,910 --> 01:07:30,000 kind of educate you as as you read the 1689 01:07:34,670 --> 01:07:31,920 thing so it's very interesting it 1690 01:07:37,370 --> 01:07:34,680 includes some gravitationally anomalous 1691 01:07:41,450 --> 01:07:37,380 material that was recovered that the Air 1692 01:07:43,190 --> 01:07:41,460 Force knew about and so very interesting 1693 01:07:44,809 --> 01:07:43,200 you should 1694 01:07:47,930 --> 01:07:44,819 check it out let me know what you think 1695 01:07:50,569 --> 01:07:47,940 but that being said oh here's menu My 1696 01:07:53,150 --> 01:07:50,579 Shirt By the way 1697 01:07:55,730 --> 01:07:53,160 I wanted to show you that hey a bit more 1698 01:07:56,690 --> 01:07:55,740 in a while so that being said 1699 01:07:58,430 --> 01:07:56,700 um 1700 01:07:59,270 --> 01:07:58,440 hope you guys are good I hope you're 1701 01:08:01,490 --> 01:07:59,280 well 1702 01:08:04,270 --> 01:08:01,500 give the video a like share it all that 1703 01:08:07,970 --> 01:08:04,280 kind of stuff subscribe if you haven't 1704 01:08:10,430 --> 01:08:07,980 and we will 1705 01:08:14,110 --> 01:08:10,440 check you next time peace out 1706 01:08:20,570 --> 01:08:18,010 [Music] 1707 01:08:22,010 --> 01:08:20,580 a little due respect to the Air Force I